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Added Sep 12 2017

CHICAGO — A 17-year-old was shot and killed in Chicago’s Rogers Park neighborhood. It happened after 2:30 a.m. Tuesday in the 7500 block of North Sheridan. Police say someone approached the teenager and shot him in the head and stomach. No word on a motive. No one is in custody.

7500-7599 N. Sheridan Rd.

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http://wgntv.com/2017/09/12/17-year-old-boy-shot-killed-in-rogers-park/
Date published
September 12, 2017
    17-year-old boy shot, killed in Rogers Park
    CHICAGO -- A 17-year-old was shot and killed in Chicago's Rogers Park neighborhood. It happened after 2:30 a.m. Tuesday in the 7500 block of North Sheridan. Police say someone approached the teenager and shot him in the head and stomach. No word on a motive. No one is in custody.
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  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    I have an update to this tragic story. Chicago police detectives were able to gather enough evidence to arrest and charge a suspect in the crime. The suspect was arrested last night (Thursday, September 21).

  • cwroe312 Laid back pie and cribbage aficionado.

    Thanks for the update, Joe. Happy they were able to bring charges.

    Related--do you know what the delay in the Wil Lewis case is? The longer this drags on and the more the subsequent memories of that horrible day recede, I worry that the justice system will just keep the perpetrators locked up. While we're all safer for that in the interim, I just hope that Mr. Lewis, his wife, and our community have an opportunity to see real justice brought to bear on the case. We were all thankful for you being there as well. I imagine you're as interested in the outcome as any of us are.

    Keep up the good work, Sir.

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    While it is a tragedy that a life was lost, regardless if it was a gangbangers life or not, the real tragedy is the "it takes a village crowd" tacitly condones the death by not condemning the behavior on the part of the parents and the thug children that led to the death.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    Ok...lets condemn the parents and their kids.

    Then what?

  • YakoBok's comment is disgusting, devoid of all empathy, understanding or respect for the facts. It demonstrates a desire to place the sound of one's voice above all else, even though there is absolutely no value in what is expressed.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    @Yakovbok - I am in complete agreement with Jeffrey and robinM that your post seems designed to attack a group of people rather than adding anything of value. As Jeffrey points out, so we do what you suggest and condemn the parents and kids and shake our little fists and point our little fingers and mock them with comments like "shame, shame"!

    Then what? How does that help? If you simply want to attack a group of people, whomever the "it takes a village crowd" is, then do not act in a cowardly fashion and hide behind a tragic event to do so.

  • Rob

    "the real tragedy is the "it takes a village crowd" tacitly condones the death by not condemning the behavior on the part of the parents and the thug children that led to the death."

    You continue to say stupid lies like this that simply aren't true. Why?

  • Perhaps it's an attempt to publicly demonstrate self-righteousness and moral piety by strongly condemning the actions of others, as wrongful and impious as those public condemnations are. The purpose of Bernard Malamud's fictional character, Yakov Bok, was to expose and condemn moral transgressions in life. We seem to be dealing with a highly pious zealot.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    The same strain of contempt is displayed towards the homeless.

    Blame game...but then what?

    Blame and a token will get you a ride on the subway.

  • Spam Alert Don't be selling your used junk up in here, okay?

    Let's blame our deranged Dotard's daddy and the parents of Kim Jong-un, too. Ah! That feels better.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    Great light-hearted comment on a post about a young man's death on the street Spam Alert.

    And is that Ald. Joe Moore giving it a thumbs up?

    Crass.

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    I believe you missed the sarcasm. It was directed at YakovBok's comment.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    How much sarcasm would be cool if it was your son Alderman?

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    Again, I think you're missing the point.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    The point being that this is a post about the death of a 17 year old.

    I think you are missing the point Alderman.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    No biggie just be careful.

    Besides why lower yourself down in the mudpit with a right-wing troll like that?

    Yakov yakkity yak won't last long enough to earn all the mutes of Spam Alert but you are better than both.

  • John Warner Conservative neighbor and person that cares

    Getting the thread back on track, Thank you, Alderman Moore, for the update that the suspect was arrested. I'm also sure that if/when you hear of any updates on the Will Lewis case you'll also let us know of those.

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    @Jeffrey Littleton,

    I'm sorry, I haven't been visiting EveryBlock as much as I once did. I didn't realize Spam Alert was one of the trolls. But just as a broken clock is right twice a day, even a troll can make a cogent point once in a while.

    YakovBok's comment was illustrative of the knee-jerk, reflexive blaming of parents that some on the Right engage in each and every time a young person commits an act of violence. I interpreted Spam Alert's comment blaming Trump and Kim Joung Un's parents for their sons' transgressions as sarcasm directed at YakovBok.

    And, yes, John Warner, I will advise everyone of the status of the case of Will Lewis' alleged murderer as soon as I get more information.

  • Spam Alert Don't be selling your used junk up in here, okay?

    @Joe

    1.) It is simple to withdraw your "thumb up." Click on it again and poof! you're back to normal.

    2.) I suspect if I had been both banned and forced to change my I.D. as many dozens of times as the true trolls around here, I, too, would have less mutes by a factor of, well, lots. I'm proud that I play by the rules, actually, and accumulate my mutes year-by-year from the bad actors and miscreants as well as the powder puffs and safe space seekers while never getting the ban hammer.

    3.) Before you call me a troll again, perhaps you would like to peruse my comments and let me know at least what non-ironic comment you feel might not be truthful. Pick any one you wish. That would be a start, anyway, toward honest discussion.

    Cheers!

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    I gotcha Alderman...apologies for giving ya a hard time.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    SA

    Ask ten people what a troll is you will get 10 answers.

    What I find weird off-putting about you is how you carry a grudge on strangers.

    Also while I comment in a few neighborhoods like many others its obvious which neighborhood I live in...like almost all the others.
    However...you are just all over the place and it seems like wherever you actually do live you have no connection to that community.

    You are like a self-appointed schoolmarm debasing whoever for whatever. Don't matter if it's a lost dog, a murder, or a recommendation for a plumber there you are.

    Is it ok to ask...what is your neighborhood, do you actually live in Chicago?

  • JohnL Happy in Edgewater

    Another shooting at 6800 North Sheridan at 4 or 4:30 am on September 24, 2017....safe Rogers Park????

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    "YakovBok's comment was illustrative of the knee-jerk, reflexive blaming of parents that some on the Right engage in each and every time a young person commits an act of violence."

    "YakoBok's comment is disgusting, devoid of all empathy, understanding or respect for the facts"

    Then who should we blame? The politicians for creating a system of dependency on the government through redistributive policies along with an overly burdensome regulatory and tax environment that promotes job death instead of job growth, which in turn feeds into the dependency on government so that individuals or families are never at fault?

    On the contrary, I have a complete understanding and respect for the facts. A 17 year old child was outside of the home at 2:30 a.m. on a school night. He should have been home sleeping so that he could wake up bright and early and receive an education.

    As CPD Supt. Eddie Johnson has said, it all starts in the home.

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    I also find it very interesting that when someone from outside of RP posts who does conform to the left wing echo chamber, that person is immediately condemned. But when someone from outside of the neighborhood weighs in on a neighborhood issue who does conform, the gaggle of usual suspects remains quiet.

    Double standard anyone?

    Confirmation bias?

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    does not conform.

  • Tired of Liars Sick and Tired of Self Serving Lying Politicians

    I hope the cops shoot all of the drug dealers dead in the street. That heroin epidemic that you hear about on all of the television commercials pushing expensive rehab facilities which most of the pushers victims can't afford- it is real and alive and growing in the NOH area!

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    YakovBok - I have no double standard. I criticized your comments because they are all about ascribing blame. The question remains for you, after you have affixed the blame, then what? I noticed you did not address that!

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    @YakovBok - By the way, if you are looking for an example of confirmation bias, read Tired of Liars comment where he states "That heroin epidemic that you hear about on all of the television commercials pushing expensive rehab facilities which most of the pushers victims can't afford- it is real and alive and growing in the NOH area!"

    That is a nice example of confirmation bias!

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    The crime certainly is not blameless as suggested by those who prefer to simply call it "a tragedy," and it can be avoided in the future. But, it can be avoided by macro level stuff that cannot be fixed by our know better government short of DCFS identifying bad parents and reeducating them, or removing children from the home. If it takes a village to raise a child, the village can put pressure on parents to do their jobs and insure that other 17 year old children are not out at 2:30 a.m on a school night, nor members of gangs. Unfortunately, that takes a society to say "individual responsibility, and parental responsibilities are important." When Sup. Johnson and Mayor Emmanuel both said same, they quickly had to stop because that implied a broken culture that tolerates violent gang behavior which apparently offends a large segment of the City's population. Here, oddly, the village chooses to stay quiet.

    So, my question is, why should blame not be affixed?

    To claim that confirmation bias exists between my post and a post addressing shooting drug dealers and the heroin epidemic, two topics I have never addressed, is a) projection and b) a fallacy.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    @Yakovbok - You really need to read for content before replying. I very clearly stated that the comment made by Tired of Liars was an example of confirmation bias. I, in no way, associated that to your comment other then providing you an actual example of confirmation as you used the term inappropriately. Please get your facts right before making a false claim.

    Also, you seem to be intentionally obtuse on the point of blame and responsibility. I read no comment on this thread that implied that this incident was a "blameless" crime. Most reasonable people can make the connection between cause and effect. A shooting has to have a shooter; therefore, there is nothing blameless about the incident. There was a victim and a perpetrator.

    The criticism leveled at your comments was for your propensity to try and sell the same old right wing attacks, repeating the same tired lines about parental responsibility. However, when you do this you make a huge assumption that the children/young adults all have parents or that there is the opportunity for remediation in these instances. That, my friend, is an example of a logical fallacy because you make a generalization that does not hold and and for which you have no basis in fact.

    The question remains, after you have affixed blame, what is next?

  • When Timothy McVeigh bombed the Federal building in Oklahoma City; when Dylann Roof gunned down 9 people at a black church in SC; and when white supremacists went on a murderous rampage in Charlottesville, I didn't hear anyone blame bad parenting.

    The single most common murder scenario in this country involves a man killing his girlfriend or wife. I never hear anyone blame the man's bad parenting in these cases.

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    Supt. Johnson and Mayor Emmanuel are apparently part of the vast right wing conspiracy when they say the problems that lead to a 17 year old being out at 2:30 am on a school night and engaging in gang activity start at home. If parental responsibility is right wing, I shudder to think what left wing is. Perhaps it is DCFS removing all children from homes that don't meet snuff and putting them in reeducation camps. (Didn't Che advocate that?)

    I did tell you what is next. If that doesn't conform to your bias, that's the beauty of America, isn't it?

    Finally, when examples of other crimes committed by children are cited, not crimes by adults, then we will talk about bad parenting in those instances as well. But that being said, it is not unusual at sentencing hearings to cite bad upbringings, i.e. Bad parenting, as a mitigating factor. I guess the CJ system is right wing as well.

  • YakovBok In the RP since 1996

    Your hopes and dreams are fulfilled, I am done with this thread.

  • Go ahead and blame bad parenting. I don't think anyone seriously doubts that it's a big factor in crimes (although it's more complicated than that; bad parenting is the easiest way to attribute blame; "bad society" is equally at fault--but you probably find that an inconvient truth).

    But I'm still wondering why bad parenting is only ever cited only in cases of minority criminals. I guess if you're a white criminal, your parents are never at fault, huh?

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    @YakovBok - Well, let's talk personal responsibility, shall we?

    You consistently make the same claims about the lack of parental responsibility whenever a shooting or homicide takes place involving a minor. You do so in a way that betrays your political bias ( "it takes a village crowd") and offer no other solutions than such bromides. Then, when confronted with your bias you build straw man arguments and deflect.

    Once again, no one is suggesting these crimes are "blameless". Your attempt at the straw man regarding the use the word "tragedy" (when referring to this shooting) is such an example. You suggest that those who refer to the shooting of a teen as a tragedy are attempting to make this crime blameless. So, there is one fallacy in which you engage right there.

    Then, you go on to reinterpret my response to you and use hyperbole (another fallacy) to suggest I am implying a "vast right wing conspiracy". I never used or implied such a thing.

    Let's be clear about something. It is important that children receive the guidance, love, support and discipline of their parents. I do not think anyone disputes the role of the parent in child development. How we develop as adults absolutely begins in the home. However, there are many more factors at work here than that and to simply focus on the good versus bad parenting ignores all those other factors..

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