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Added Jan 07 2018

Vacant more than 10 yrs.

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  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    It's all part of a unified plan.

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  • I said it before and I will say it again if you are so concerned about these empty lots why don't you take the risk and go buy them and do something with them yourself?

  • That's what I did about the health care problem!! I was so mad at Congress for trying to take my Obamacare away from me that I just went out and bought Aetna all by myself.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Brad, I do not want to.
    As a stakeholder in RP I identified the lots avaliable for development after several claimed there were none.

  • Rob

    Please link to where several claimed there were no available lots for development.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Omar
    With the exception of the "hole on Clark" (which has its own unusual history), there are no vacant lots in RP. The handful of parking lots in the ward are there because they want to be and are making money or serving a purpose (like church or school parking).
    We have our challenges, but "vacant lots" are not among them

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    There were, indeed, two vacant properties on Howard. The easternmost one, formerly occupied by a Chinese restaurant and tire shop, is currently under construction of an apartment building with retail on the ground floor. The "hazmat" site was cleaned up years ago, and the property now serves as a popular community garden while awaiting a new proposal. I would hardly call it a landbanked property. There had been a wonderful proposal for attractive housing on the site--and then the economy went south.

  • Rob

    Helen and Omar were talking about a lack of vacant lots, not a lack of properties that are available to be development.

    Perfect example is your own mislabeled photo attached to this post. The property is available for development (and in fact that's a shiny new big for sale sign on it that wasn't there a few months ago) but it certainly isn't vacant as you can see with all the cars being parked there as it is an active parking lot for the current owners.

    Now, the one you posted about on Howard, that one, yes that ones been sitting vacant. As they might say, "Don't throw your shoulder out patting yourself on the back", especially as a single vacant property has nothing to do with anything close to an accepted definition of a land bank.

  • Boy, you're like a bulldog with a rug in its mouth, Bruce! You never give up, do you?

    I don't consider a parking lot a "vacant lot." I don't consider a community garden to be a "vacant lot." Nor do I consider a plot of land in the process of development to be a "vacant lot." I suppose you could call some of these plots of land "vacant" in a literal sense, i.e., in the sense that there is no building on them. But your whole point was to argue that RP is full of empty, unproductive, even abandoned, properties. That is simply not true.

    So I'll repeat my original point (making it even more emphatic thanks to the work you've helpfully done with your photos): There are NO vacant lots in the entire ward in the sense you use the term. All of the plots you've identified are either being used productively as parking lots and gardens or else they are currently being developed, whether with proposals pending or actually undergoing construction. They do not reflect any malaise in the Rogers Park real estate economy whatsoever.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Helen says the vacant lot is under construction on Howard. It is not under construction it is vacant and fenced off.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    That's proposed, not the same as actually under development. Ask Toni P about budgeting on expected revenue.

  • Well, they already knocked down the building on the lot, which was the first thing on their to-do list. The project was announced only last April, so it hasn't been long. The old Morseland building was demolished like, what, two years before construction ever got started?

    Here's the alderman's announcement about the community meeting on the developer's plans for that site:
    https://www.ward49.com/news/alderman-moore-to-host-informational-meeting-on-development-at-1531-w-howard/

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Can you find the announcement for the one on Clark.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    And what does Clark look like today?

  • To most persons the site looks like a prime piece of real estate with lots of potential to enhance the neighborhood, boost the economy and become part of the Clark Street Vision. Unfortunately, to some people who suffer from Kenophobia, it is a big scary, empty space that triggers fears and anxiety. To kenophobes it brings on feelings of stress, solitude, psychological emptiness and abandonment. Kenophobes should avoid visiting, photographing and even thinking about places like this in order to protect their own mental health.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Sheridan Park Neighbors Administrator

    Clark pretty much like the same.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Sheridan Park Neighbors Administrator

    Some stay and some go but about the same.

  • no, Clark has become worse off over the past year. There's been a significant exit of Latino residents from RP (reversing a large influx that started in the 90s), and the immigration enforcement threats have also reduced foot traffic. Clark is badly in need of a wake-up call, and I don't think the recent reboot projects are really getting at the core of the problem. The stores on Clark should start by making more of an effort to appeal to non-Latino customers, particularly in the restaurant area. This kind of broader appeal is why why Latino restaurants in Pilsen and Little Village are doing better than those on the Clark corridor. Many of the Mexican restaurants on Clark are inward-looking, lacking in creativity, using low-quality ingredients, and badly run. There are of course some exceptions, but overall the corridor is spiralling downward.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Omar we agree.

  • Rob

    "...but overall the corridor is spiralling downward."

    I disagree with this characterization. Furthermore, The comparison between Pilsen and our Clark corridor isn't valid as the gentrification conditions aren't the same.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    How much leakage was reported in the Clark street vision?

  • Rob

    Why don't you tell us Bruce since you are the one who is now (yet again) trying to use that as evidence of whatever it is you think is happening when you see a single vacant lot in the third largest city in the country?

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    The leakage report shows a steady decline of sustainable businesses along that corridor. Development has stymied because of the reputation that RP will stop a developer and drive construction cost to reduce the margin of profit to 0.

  • Let's tell the real story. Chicago's population grew each of the first three years Rahm Emanuel was in office, but since taking office Rauner has driven uncertainty into every corner of the State, and Chicago has not been immune from the effects. The loss of college students, for example, is a direct result of a lack of leadership by Governor Rauner and the instability he has created. The entire City of Chicago lost 0.32% of its population between 2015 and 2016. But Milwaukee lost 0.73%, St. Louis lost 0.10% and poor Shreveport, Louisiana lost 0.14% during the same time period. Less population citywide translates into diminished business activity and contrary to some allegations, Clark Street and Rogers Park is not imperiled. Bruce's fairy tales about stymied development, bad reputation, high construction costs and reduced margins is pure fiction perhaps driven by some kind of need to bash Rogers Park.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Sheridan Park Neighbors Administrator

    Pratt has 2 7-11's.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Sheridan Park Neighbors Administrator

    I haven't seen to many empty lots unless you include the parks.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    I like 7/11's Littleton, Pratt should have at least a half dozen + 2 Taco Bells.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    And with all the parks, Rogers Park is almost vacant. Bruce, you're counting the parks, right?

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    We could have lot crawl. Maybe start at Brixtons on Clark. Oh wait what's the new name? Is it Live something or another?

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    You can ask me tomorrow Reid, in person.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Sounds like a plan.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Sheridan Park Neighbors Administrator

    Some vacant lots are just stuck in a family trust for no particular reason but the family can't agree what to do with it.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    There are numerous legitimate reasons that property and real property are put into Trusts, often to protect the assets. There's no reason to believe that any vacant lot in this discussion is in a Trust with a family, let alone one that cannot comes to terms. What are your sources for stating this Littleton?

  • There are no sources regarding vacant properties being held in trust in Rogers Park. We are dealing with a situation in which someone who has been marginalized in another neighborhood's forum is looking for a new playground and, unfortunately, Rogers Park has been selected. The sad result is that many of our threads are being contaminated with fake information about things like family trusts.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Sheridan Park Neighbors Administrator

    I am sorry you didn't know properties can be held in a family trust. Oh well....

  • Vacant lots can also be held through secret offshore accounts in places like the Cayman Islands.

  • John Warner Conservative neighbor and person that cares

    Or someplace local like 5/3 Bank.

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  • Phill Lucille, give me strength.

    So many empty lots in RP. Sad.

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