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Added Sep 07 2017

Update check Devon Market on Facebook. They sent me a post claiming it was the bottled water tax. Wrong.
Then admitted it was incorrectly applied, only after I blasted the transaction on Facebook , twitter and NextDoor.
They admit they refund the tax to Link/SNAP recipients , but not to customers incorrectly charged??!!

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Democrats see taxation as a solution for everything. Raise taxes or cereate new ones.
    The Nanny State is pretty much the way to do it: "We'll tell you what's good or bad for you because you, as a common citizen, are simply not capable of doing the right decissions".
    So that's the great excuse to TAX TAX TAX and collect the revenue that they need to pay for services for people that don't work but always vote for them, the politicians that give them free stuff.
    Who pays? Hard-working people of course.

  • Rob

    "you, as a common citizen, are simply not capable of doing the right decissions". "

    I can easily name 62,984,825 examples of this.

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  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    Ay, Yodita!

  • Yoda Jedi Master

    Rob, your comment a good example of your disdain for individual freedoms is

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  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Could it be that Jedi Masters don't punctuation understand?

  • Wazzup not available

    49 comments on a wonderful market - is the poster trying to shut Devon Market down?

  • Sandy,
    You're off in your logic.
    We buy flavored waters for $9.99 a case. There's 480 oz. in that case. That's a $4.80 tax OR a 48% tax. you might as well say 50% tax.
    So thinking "it's just a penny" is WAY off.

  • BTW We make it a point to buy those case of flavored water and whatever else taxed like this out of cook county. Not just that but all our groceries.
    I'm glad we have that luxury and even more glad that cook county is loosing even more revenue through us.

  • Jeffery, yes we saw those commercials. They're trying to sell you on this tax.
    If someone wants to feed their kids soda and sugar how am I to stop it and frankly I don't care. If people can't take care of their kids correctly how am I supposed to?
    You can't make stupid less stupid with a commercial but you can sell stupid things to stupid.

  • There are also commercials being aired by--surprise!--the American Beverage Association.

    As usual, people are too naive to realize they are being manipulated by large corporations (corporations for which the health of consumers is their least concern).

    We tax cigarettes because they kill us. Everyone has come to accept cigarette taxes.

    We tax alcohol because consumption of alcohol leads to significant costs for society: car accidents, liver disease, etc. Everyone has accepted alcohol taxes (which total 28% of the cost of these beverages).

    But when it comes to sugary drinks that are making Americans the most obese people in the world and costing our healthcare system billions and leading to early deaths and terrible health, the masses rise up in protest against having to pay a single penny per ounce? Unbelievable.

  • Yes it is unbelievable.
    Unbelievable that someone can't control themselves enough to not drink gallons of soda.
    It's up to the rest of us and a sham tax to keep stupid from drowning themselves in sugar.
    How DARE we ask a person to think for themselves and take responsibility.
    So someone dies because of overindulgence?
    How on Earth is that my problem or fault?
    Just don't say a TAX is going to stop that.
    Lemmings all to eager to give up rights and money for a faux cause and a real tax.

  • People rise up because this tax hits the middle class. The Poor have Link and don't pay taxes on food and beverages. The Rich don't care or can head out of county. This is a tax on the working class. Fun enough my Starbuck sugary goodness is not taxed.

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  • This has nothing to do with class. It's a tax that hits people who drink unhealthy amounts of sugary drinks and then expect the rest of us to cover their health insurance bills when they inevitably become sick and obsese.

    Everyone else will occasionally pay about a dime when they purchase a coke on a hot day.

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  • This has everything to do with Class. My Starbuck full of Sugary Goodness is not taxed..Why? Because We can fight back effectively. They are taxing regular joe's the same people who cannot afford a Lawyer to fight property assessments...The City knows exactly who to target.

  • Sandy in EdgeGlen EdgeGlen since 1987

    Actually, your bottle of chilled Frappuccino IS taxed. The price of the Frappuccino that the barista whirls up in the blender from ice & pre-sweetened mix includes the tax. Drinks that start out plain but get sweetened to taste (like those two pumps of chocolate syrup in your mocha latte from the barista or the three packets of sugar you add to your grande black over-roasted coffee at the condiment station) are not. And neither are packages of unsweetened Kool-Aid powder.

  • I'm afraid that's not true, Sandy. The bottled frapuccino at Starbucks gets the tax, but the barista version does not.

    When you look at the range of drinks that get taxed and those that do not, you quickly realize that this is not just a "tax on the middle class." Many "fru fru" drinks, like fancy iced teas or other exotic "health" drinks, are taxed as well. Basically, any bottled or fountain drink that contains sugar, high fructose corn syrup, sucralose, stevia, etc., is taxed. Any drink that is made of 100 percent fruit juice or that is sweetened by fruit juice concentrate is not taxed. But drinks served by a barista are not taxed, unless they include fountain drinks (rum and coke is taxed, coffee ordered with sugar at Dunkin or Starbucks is not).

    *In other words, the distinction is between (A) drinks that are pre-sweeteend (by anything but fruit) vs. (B) drinks that are manually sweetened by a barista or customer.*

    Artificially sweetened drinks are just as bad for you as sugared ones, because they keep you in a state of addiction to sugar and your body responds to them just like it responds to sugar. Artificial sweeteners trigger insulin, which sends your body into fat storage mode and leads to weight gain.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-cook-county-soda-tax-beverages-0801-biz-20170731-story.html

    Big Soda is fighting hard. Not only are they funding the attack campaign on the Cook Cnty sugary drinks tax, but they have been funding research for years designed to take attention off bottled drinks and onto other health factors--to make us forget about sugar. For example, the study that came out this week that said prolonged sitting kills you. Too much sitting might be bad for you, bug it was an abysmally awful study with very little good research, funded by Coca Cola.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/the-new-study-suggesting-sitting-will-kill-you-is-kind-of-a-raging-dumpster-fire/

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    The current battle is very reminiscent of the tobacco industry's fight against restrictions on smoking and higher taxes on tobacco products.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    That's not the same, Helen, and you know that Democrats are desperate to money-grab more from hardworking people, because they need money to continue to support people that won't work but vote for the Democratic Party.
    (The welfare state, I give you free stuff but you must vote for me.)

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    People are not buying that this is a health issue.
    What? You think the city of Chicago IS SO NICE, IT REALLY CARES ABOUT YOUR HEALTH?
    This is about REVENUE. They need YOUR MONEY.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Man, Pedro is REALLY triggered by this sweetened beverage tax.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    And you're triggered, Helen, because you don't like that I spread the truth.
    You, a member of the ward's Democratic party, have been pushing the idea that this is a move to protect people's health.
    You hate that I post the truth that this is about REVENUE. That, politicians are desperate to money-grab because they need to keep giving handouts to people that won't work but vote for them.

  • Rob

    Helen - make that REALLY REALLY triggered.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    To anyone reading this:
    The soda TAX is not for protecting your health.
    It is for collecting REVENUE.

  • Jeffrey Littleton 3rd Generation Uptown

    Tax the people who feed the trolls.
    A Troll Tax.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    @Pedrito - Again, two things can be true at the same time. This is not a black and white issue. It is both possible that the tax can be a disincentive for selecting a sugary drink and it can also be a revenue generator for the city. Perhaps your political blinders do not let you see there is more than one rationale.

  • If indeed it is a tax to protect our health why not tax sugar and baked goods? Why allow Link cards users to buy what is harmful to them? Just sayin'

  • All taxes generate revenue for one purpose or another. All properly constituted legislative bodies are allowed to levy taxes for purposes of generating revenue. Two important questions are do the taxes serve a legitimate state interest and are they compatible with the Constitution. So far, the beverage tax satisfies both requirements even though it is being challenged. Unless it fails in a court, the tax is legitimate.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - A compulsive liar.

    @ahtnaid - Neither the City of Chicago nor Cook County have the authority to levy a tax on transactions paid by Link. That is the answer to one part of your question.

    As to why sugary drinks and not baked goods or sugar itself, I refer you to this FAQ by the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/data-statistics/sugar-sweetened-beverages-intake.html

  • Why do nutrition assistance programs allow sugar sweetened beverages and other non-essential food/drinks? It has nothing to do with a tax on sugar and everything to do with corporate lobbying groups. It predates this current controversy by decades! Educate yourself before whining about Link/SNAP recipients not being taxed for the same items. WIC is a completely separate program and does NOT provide sugary drinks, as it is meant for children ages 0-5 and women who are pregnant or breastfeeding.

    http://www.eatdrinkpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/FoodStampsFollowtheMoneySimon.pdf

  • Also, baked goods and sweets usually contain other nutrients, plus carbs. Most sugary drinks contain only sugar, nothing else that your body can use. By zeroing in only on drinks, we can significantly improve health.

    And Michael is correct about why people on food stamps are not charged the tax. There was no desire to exclude LINK from the tax; but it was impossible to avoid that due to federal law. In Philadelphia they got around this law by charging the tax on wholesalers, but Illinois's tax structure makes that impossible.

    And of COURSE this tax is also about revenue. It achieves two things at the same time: better health outcomes plus revenue raising. The same was true about cigarette taxes, gasoline taxes and booze taxes: money is raised and a social outcome is achieved. We can do two things at the same time, honey.

    I'd sure rather see a tax on beverages than another hike on all sales taxes or a hike in property taxes.

  • and if this tax annoys the trolls on this site, I find that delightful!
    Trolls are known to drink far too much sugar. It explains their short fuses and hostility.

  • Sandy in EdgeGlen EdgeGlen since 1987

    Someone (who’s on at least his second EveryBlock account) seems to be bouncing off the walls—sugar shock? Put down the pop and back away slowly towards the water filter on your sink...

    To clarify, the sweetened beverage tax is a Cook County tax. The City of Chicago bottled water tax is to discourage the purchase and use of disposable plastic water bottles, which will sit in landfills forever unless some recycling company can repurpose them (such as those reusable fabric shopping bags that those who lament the demise of cheap disposable bags decry as “unsanitary” and “war on the poor”). Most of the bottled water subject to the City’s tax is filtered tap water anyway.

    Sure, both taxes are revenue-raising measures. ALL taxes are! Do you think the gov’t is discriminating against homeowners by levying property taxes? Against people who buy things in general by charging sales tax? Against people who earn money or get it from investments by levying income tax? If so, then argument over—there’s no reasoning with you.

    Combining revenue with a secondary purpose for the greater good is commendable. (And drinking sweetened stuff—especially feeding it to your growing kids, no matter your income level—isnot for the greater good. No sweetened beverage tax? Fine—pay part of my healthcare costs and insurance premiums. The invoice will be in the mail),

  • You haven't a clue of what you're talking about.
    It's laughable and fully expected that you'd buy into the "save our kids" campaign.

  • just look around you. The obesity rate among U.S. children has more than tripled since the 1970s. You want nothing to be done about that?

    2/3 of U.S. children drink a sugary drink every single day. That's an automatic 9 teaspoons of sugar on top of all the other sugar they're getting from food, and many of these kids are drinking many cups of sugar drinks, not just one.

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Trends in the prevalence of physical activity and sedentary behaviors national YRBS: 1991—2015. https://www.cdc.gov/ healthyyouth/data/yrbs/pdf/trends/2015_us_physical_trend_yrbs.pdf. Accessed May 17, 2017.

  • Then why not tax SUGAR itself? Tax candy bars, Starbucks, Bakeries, Cookies and so on? This is a tax on the middle class straight up. The Poor have Link (no taxes), The Rich don't care or will just travel out of county to shop. You can tell its a cash grab when the City says they will have to lay people off if the tax is not implemented. The City is not worried about anyones "health" if they were we would not lead the nation in murders year after year. The City would not have closed 6 of 12 Mental Health Centers. You are all being gaslighted.

  • I don't for a second believe that the tax money from sugar-sweetened beverages will be funneled directly into obesity prevention. It's a money grab, the same as all the others. But I was uncomfortable with the assumption that benefits recipients are somehow lucky that their soda/pop/etc isn't taxed. That's a separate issue and it's well worth talking about, just not in this conversation.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    I'm glad too see that so many people do not believe in this scam.

  • Sandy in EdgeGlen EdgeGlen since 1987

    The sweetened beverage tax didn’t claim to fund obesity prevention (though it did bring the issue out into the open)—it was a way to raise revenue that also disincentivizes unhealthy behavior that costs us all more in higher medical bills & insurance premiums.

    Face it—some people just don’t like taxes & regulations, period. If only they were honest enough to admit it...

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Sandy,

    "a way to raise revenue that also disincentivizes unhealthy behavior"

    That's called "The pitch".

  • Sandy,
    So someone not taking responsibility for their own behavior is now my problem?
    Are you this concerned over candy bars, ice cream and the like?
    Some people just don't like taxes?
    You're kidding right?
    Gleefully waiting with baited breath for April 15th?
    It's almost tax day! YIPPIE!
    I just can't wait to do my part.
    Yes sir may I have another?
    Are you kidding?

  • I enjoy paying my taxes.

  • You need to get out more.
    A LOT more...

  • I do my taxes in the park!

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