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Added Feb 01 2013

Does anyone know what's going on at Dakin & Central (just south of Irving Park Rd)? There were about 5 CPD cars out there.

  • Email sent to my Alderman. ward45@cityofchicago.org
    I'm going to follow up with a phone call to his office later today (not open on weekend.
    And I've got time off on Wednesday, so I think I'll stop in there to talk as well.
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    The office is located at 4754 N. Milwaukee Ave. We are open Monday through Friday, 8 am to 6 pm. Our phone number is 773-286-4545, and our website is ward45.org. Ward Night is every Tuesday from 5 to 7 pm.
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    For those of you in the 38th, here's your contact infor

    Ward Office

    5817 W. Irving Park Rd.
    Chicago, IL 60634
    Phone: 773.545.3838
    Fax: 773.283.3343
    ward38@cityofchicago.org

  • As long as they all kill each other and no innocent bystanders I don't care! Good riddance

  • Will you should care -these people will be walking in our neighborhoods with guns. These individuals don't care about who they hurt, the live their lives thinking they are above the law. An increase in gang members in the area means an increase in drug activity, an increase in crimes and a decrease in good people wanting to support our local businesses that are attempting to change things around here. You could care less about the individual that was killed - however have some concern about where it happened.

  • Will, I understand that sentiment, but these idiots never just kill each other. They're too disorganized and reckless. It isn't like the old school mafia days, you know?

  • Time to stop "whistling past the grave yard". The BEAST is here! True, gang problem is not as severe as in other areas but it is here. If the CPD would dedicate just one week of saturating our area with one of their new mobile teams (about 20 Officers) the problems would diminish quickly. Follow ups would be needed but gang bangers would soon realize this is not fertile ground. Saturation means street stops and field interrogations. Minor arrests for weed, etc. Good kids might get caught up in the sweeps. Can you deal with that? It is not normal for 22 year old men to be riding bicycles in sub freezing weather, unless they are riding to work. Time to wake up! Alds Arena and Cullerton.....can you talk to 16 Commander and get that done? WE DESERVE POLICE SERVICE TOO!!

  • wayne 25 year Irving&Austin res.

    This may be the best thing that could can happen in our neighborhood....I think that MANY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED!! Now let's see what open eyes see & more importantly what they do. It's harder to fix a problem when most don't see that there is one....

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    This shooting/homicide occurred at 3945 N. Central sometime before midnight last night. The victim lived there in an apartment with his mother and sustained a fatal gunshot wound to the chest. The victim was reportedly a member of the Spanish Cobras, and although the motive for the shooting is unknown, it is suspected that the shooting is gang related. 16th District Commander O'Donnell, was the first to arrive on the scene, and has informed me that patrols in the area have been stepped up until further notice. The Commander also will be coordinating gang suppression patrols here in the 16th District with Commanders in the 17th and 25th Districts.

    I certainly do not disagree one bit that we need more Police Officers here in the 16th District. However, that said, I'm not so sure that even if we had twice the number of Police Officers that we now have that we could prevent this type of incident from occurring.

    Like it or not, known, self-proclaimed gang members live here in Portage Park and other areas of the 16th District where they feel it is safe for themselves and their children and families to live. In this instance, it appears that this individual was intentionally targeted, hunted down and killed for God only knows what. Nevertheless, this is the second incident in recent times and whether or not they are related to some type of turf war or not, there is simply no way for me to know.However, I will contact Area 5 Deputy Chief Escalante and Commander O'Donnell to request that they meet with the entire Community to tell us what they are doing to control this activity, and how we as a community can participate.

    (continued)

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    I will also request a meeting with Mayor Emanuel to seek additional Police resources, and recommend that laws be amended to treat known, self-proclaimed gang members a domestic terrorists, and to share with the public any and all information regarding all known locations where gang members reside.

    I wll post the time and place of a Community Meeting to discuss these matters as soon as I am able.

  • I hate to break it to everybody, but these new "saturation teams" won't be setting one foot in the 16th District, those resources will be sent to the high crime areas of the South and West sides where I'm sorry to say, the war is lost. The people of 16 don't matter to city hall, we go to work, we pay our taxes, and we stay quiet. Besides these "strike teams" are made up of displaced desk personnel...not exactly the hard chargers of the department

  • Thanks, Alderman. Gangbangers do, and likely always will, live among us.

    When I lived in Uptown, we would hold community "night out," where residents met at hotspots and hung out for a couple hours in the evening. Not only does it show these guys/gals that the community stands together against them, but it also builds a sense of community and safety.

    Alderman Cullerton - when you have your community meeting, could you throw this idea out?

  • Hmm, lived with his mother. Now who was disparaging that angle...?

    But, thanks Alderman. You're right, we will never get rid of gang crime - it was here when I moved in more than 20 years ago and it's still here.
    But please pursue an increase in the number of police in the city even if it means raising my taxes to pay for it, because there's evidence that more police over a sustained period of time can make a difference. No offense tdubb, but it'll take more than just a week of increased presence to make a difference.

  • Ruth Marie

    According to the Trib, the victim had a Latino surname, as did the one at Belmont and Cicero. It appears the Latino gangs are migrating northwest from Avondale, Logan Square, and Humboldt Park.

  • Chicago Scott, I'd do that.

  • @ Chicago Scott.... when I lived in Logan Square we had quite a few "nights out" . We would set up a grill, bring lawn chairs, chips and pop and have a good ole time. The gangbangers didn't know what to do with 20-30 residents taking over their corner. They eventually moved on. It does work !

  • In response to Alderman Cullerton's post, there isn't in Area 5 Deputy Chief. Remember, the city downsized the CPD from five areas to three to save money at the expense of public safety ; )

  • Bill the Engineer /ChicagoNWside/

    Broderick..... I'm in constant communication with my alderman on all manner of things. Same with the CAPS office.

    One of the things that I've forwarded to him a lists of city departments, grants and initiatives that suck 10's of millions out the budget and only benefit a few. That's Taxpayer money that can be used to pay for a bolsterd police force. Without raising taxes. So raising taxes in not necessary, and in fact would be extremely detrimental.

    And your comment equating concerned neighbors with gangbangers is not only wrong, it's offensive.

    Done with you.

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    Chicago Scott, I would be happy to recommend youridea, but I would encourage you and everyone else who has a suggestion to bring it forward at the meeting - all suggestions and ideas will be welcome!

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    Thanks Brizilla, my mistake... but the request to the Commander and Deputy Chef have been submitted, as has a request to meet with Mayor Emanuel.

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    Billzilla (not Brizilla)!

  • Jim B 35 yrs at Portage

    Get to the owners, managers, and owner/residents of buildings. Identify where "mothers and their sons live" along with assorted gang members reside and put legitimate pressure on the owners to evict them.

    There has to be legal and effective structures to clear out the neighborhood of gangs and assorted criminals.

    In my block building owners work together to regulate tenants.

  • Ruth Marie

    These mothers know what is going on. Then they boo hoo in front of the cameras that their honor student had nothing to do with gangs.

  • To Everyone - I don't mind putting together a meet-up group for those of us that want to take some action. Perhaps we could meet twice a month to discuss different ideas that would increase awareness in our community among our neighbors. We could also set up dates to promote community 'night outs' as well. I put together a running group not that long ago to meet at portage park and a group of us running around the park three times a week isn't something these gang-bangers and drug dealers want to see. If anyone is interested in running this with me please send me an emails via EB and we can set up a time to meet, possibly even this weekend, and get this thing up and off the ground. We clearly know we can't depend on the police to take care of this 100% - we need to come together as a community and do all we can to stop criminal behavior in Portage Park.

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    Jim, exactly right. When I was with the Building Department, I helped coordinate the Strategic Task Force, STF, which targets buildings where drug and gang activity Is prevalent. We need more resources, however, as the number of inspectors has declined dramatically in recent years, while the number of gang members has increased.

  • wayne 25 year Irving&Austin res.

    It seems to me that a lot of us expect our aldermen to make this problem go away, I have faith that Tim Cullerton is doing all he can... he and his family live here too..If the aledrman could make it go away....It wouldn't be here....He can help...but not much more

  • John Michael Hamilton Jefferson Park Neighborhood Worker

    The best way to handle this is to go to CAPS meetings and every time you see something call CPD. If you do that with in a few months there will a change, CPD will be forced to send units to that area, to bring the call level down. I have used that plan is some much worse areas and have got some good results. If you don't call and go to meetings CPD will not know.

  • OldIrving Anna on a quest for craft brewed "zimne piwo"

    Based on various past EB threads in Albany Park, looks like block phone trees, email groups, block clubs and groups of neighbors regularly grilling in front of their houses or talking around a fire pit have proven effective. The more eyes on the street & on the alleys, the better people get at trusting their gut that something is just not right.

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    But Albany Park actually has pockets of asshats in public doing asshat things. We don't seem to have that over by here.

  • Jim B 35 yrs at Portage

    @Ruth Marie
    For every 'boo-hoo mother' who defends her gangster son we need a no nonsense building owner who will evict them for harboring a criminal. All of that can be done behind the scenes silently and successfully.

  • wayne 25 year Irving&Austin res.

    What mother wouldn't defend her kid?? I know my mother would have defended me... Very often mothers have no idea what is really going on.....

  • Jim B 35 yrs at Portage

    @wayne

    all the more reason to avoid getting trapped in the rhetoric of mothers and begin to act on the reality of the situation. Act quickly and focus on ridding the neighborhood of gang influence.

  • I'm speaking as a mother of two children - one 16 and the other 20. Any mother that does not know what her son is doing is either 1. lying through her teeth or 2. turning a blind eye to the situation. My guess is this man had tattoos symbolizing his gang, didn't work but had money, would hang out with an undesirable crowd. She was his roommate - living with him, she had to have some idea what was going on.

  • wayne 25 year Irving&Austin res.

    a mothers love is often blind...it's the other kids that are the bad ones not mine!!

  • arnie

    If people want to eyeball who else in the neighborhood might be a gang banger go to the kid's funeral.

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    For anyone interested there's a 59MB PDF file of the 2011 Gang Map used by the Chicago Police. It lists all 25 police districts and color codes gangs location on the map. Look at the 16th District, the 17th District, and the 25th District to get a glimpse of what was charted around here.

    I'd suggest you download it to view.

    http://db.tt/Mrp4OE1U

  • Just Me

    You're right about that!

  • Just Me

    My comment was for arnie

  • howiehandles NW sider

    I understand that not every landlord who accepts Section 8 has all bad tenants, but those often seem to be trouble spots. Seeing in off Cumberland, and even off Higgins.

  • Kenji thanks for the map!
    I have an Aikido student that is a policeman in gang crimes. I'll show it to him.

  • Alderman Tim Cullerton 38th Ward 38th Ward Alderman

    Area North Deputy Chief John Escalante, 16th District Commander James O'Donnell and I will host a Community Meeting at the Portage School next Wednesday evening, February 6th, starting promptly at 6:30 PM, to address the recent events here in Portage Park. Please use the entrance on the 5300 block of W. Berteau Avenue.

  • Kenji, regarding that gang map, ive been told it is not always accurate do to the high mobility of the gangs. also, certain commanders dont want it being too crowded with gangs because then they have to answer up for what is happening in the district. to be fair though, those maps were done before our current commander was put in. they are a good reference point, but not the end all for determining gang territory. another good website, though it is outdated, is the chicagogangs.org (i think). with the destruction of high rise public housing, gentrification, and the housing market crash, the fact is that gangs have gotten transplanted all over the city. in places like 16 where gangs are not as obviously holding down the corner, it becomes like the gangs have discovered a brand new country and are free to set up shop uncontested.
    and yes, the 80's into the 90's saw much higher murder rates. but there are several contributing factors for that including the introduction of crack and its huge profits, worse medical care at the time, and, in my opinion most importantly, the advent of cell phones. prior to cell phones, if a person was shot late at night, the victim or a witness would have to either find a pay phone or wake up the neighbors to have them call 911. now the ability to call is in everyones pocket, drastically reducing the response times for police and ambulances. that may not account for the entire drop, but it does answer some of the reasons why murders are lower.
    and no offense tim, i dont want to wait for those murder rates to jump back up to the 600-700's. im not saying the sky is falling, all im saying is that we need to get our heads out of the sand(or at least take off our earphones) and reingage with the other members of the neighborhood. more police wouldnt hurt either.

  • and i have to agree that there are huge amounts of cash being wasted in this city im sure that could be redirected into essential services. look at quinn and the state of illinois. they raised our taxes by what...70%? and exactly how much of our 8 billion dollar debt was paid off? zero. they spent the money on new stuff. you cant trust our politicians to spend the money the get now correctly yet you want to give them more?
    im not saying all our politicians are crooked, but enough of them just want to kick the problems down the road while buying votes for the next election that we are at the bottom when it comes to debt and credit ratings. at least thats my opinion and probably should be a thread all its own.of course, i think the amount of posts people would enter would take down the site

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    I think you are spot on Bill in most of what you posted. The only thing might be the website you posted might not accurate. It can be check here:

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://chicagogangs.org

    There's also the hoodup site, but recently it's not getting as much traffic as it used to.

    goog the hoodup and see the Midwest links

    I'd post the URL directly but I once a while back got thrown off EB for posting the direct URL because there's pron ads at the bottom of all their pages if you don't have an adblocker installed on your browser.

  • wayne 25 year Irving&Austin res.

    @ bill/portage park politics in Ill.is getting better...we only have one gov. in prison now!!!

  • i say bring blago back, crook or no crook he was cheaper.

  • kenji, i get a headache when i try to decipher the posts on websites like hoodup. its a crime what they do to the english language.
    if anyone is interested in a more academic look at gangs, search "into the abyss" by mike carlie PHD. its a little out of date and most of its data was from west coast gangs but it seems very comprehensive. not sure how the academic or police communities responded to it but it covers alot of ground from causes to possible solutions. it is a very large document and i have only begun to really try and get through it but its on the web and its free. most enlightening, at least to me, are some the quotes from actual gang members. one recounts how his own gang beat him so bad with bats that he has permanent brain damage and another acknowledges how youths are used to further the gang's goals while admitting that the juvenile justice system is a joke. so far it seems like a decent starting point for those who have not had much gang experience.

  • Bill, I don't try offend, but there are people on everyblock who seem to thrive on saying the sky is falling every time some bad happens. I just don't think that helps figure out how to respond when bad things really happen.

  • tim, i dont mean to be an alarmist but just because jefferson park is "not as bad as some neighborhoods" is not a reason to be complacent. neighborhoods change slowly and its hard to pinpoint when it starts to tip. admittedly, freaking out is not an answer but identifying and addressing concerns in a timely manner can prevent a neighborhood from being overrun. yes, gangs have been a part of our neighborhood for decades but, as i stated earlier, we are seeing an influx of new gang members with the expansion of scattered site housing and section 8. if the bangers are allowed to set up unchecked, they will bring more bangers to the neighborhood because its safer for them then where they were at. there are not as many hard core bangers up here to conflict with and there is not the police presence to dissuade them from operating. thankfully we live in a nice neighborhood with a majority of good, hardworking people that can make a difference. all we need to do is become more invested in our neighborhood. and ill be the first to admit that i dont get out and around as much as i should but i try to know the neighbors and observe anything that looks out of place or suspicious. anyway, if i can get out of work, i intend to be at the meeting with the alderman, commander etc. if others on this site really want to become involved, i think this is a good first step.

  • Lots of good thoughts and suggestions. I think being involved in your block,knowing your neighbors is crucial.The problem is multilayered and cannot be fixed by Tim Cullerton,John Arena or the police alone.People have to be involved and stand up.
    Recently I was on the west side near Chicago/Pulaski-very poor and lots of violence.
    I was struck by one block-possibly Springfield.It was beautiful-no garbage on street,houses attended to,no gangbanger/drug dealers on the street. A very peaceful scene in an otherwise violent neighborhood. I discovered that it was the work of one woman and the block club. She/block club have refused to tolerate the destruction of their beautiful block.They are invested in their homes and block.
    Sometimes complacency allows bad things to happen.
    I for one will not be forced from my beautiful home or neighborhood by thugs. I will continue to be involved and pay attention.It is imperative that thugs know they and their behavior will not be tolerated. They are bullies and the only way to deal with them is to Stand Up to Them.
    My neighbor thought that in addition to block parties ,neighborhoods have "alley" parties-allowing one to get to know the neighbors behind you. sounds like a good idea.

  • Bill: yes, but no one I know is complacent. They're concerned, but they're also suspicious that some of the complaints about "change" refer not to gang bangers but to irrational fears about minorities.
    I'm not saying you're doing that, but it's definitely an attitude that I and other people have observed.
    I'll be at that meeting as well.

  • Karl JP Retired in Jefferson Park.

    the progressive "mind" at work. sheesh.

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