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Added Apr 23 2018

Check out this video and you decide if PC has anything to do with this person doing nothing as hooded violent criminals approach him, beat and rob him in the middle of the day. A resident tells the news about how the area has gentrified and this is now very uncommon occurrence from West of this location.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/violent-west-town-robbery-caught-on-video-chicago-police-480499931.html

  • I am sorry this happened to one of our fellow neighbors. This post is inappropriate am I am sorry to see it on Everyblock.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    What is inappropriate about it? Just fighting crime on EB.

  • Exactly what belongs on Everyblock..

    #headonaswivel

  • The news itself is right for Everyblock. But I think the post is inappropriate. It's asking people to speculate on whether this victim is to blame for the violent crime that occurred. All I see in the video is a person walking on the sidewalk, and he's punched in the face with no warning.

    The post bring politics into it a suggestive way that asks whether it's his own fault. This post is on a message board in the victim's own neighborhood. This victim is our neighbor. If we discuss why he might be at fault, we are just speculating on things we don't know. I don't see that as what EveryBlock is about.

  • Thanks for the post. NOTHING WRONG with it.

  • I would point out that, like it or not, the two THUGS in the video are your neighbors, too.

  • I would add, that politics affects many issues in your neighborhood, and to deny this is to live with your head in the sand.

  • Do you know who these thugs are?

    do you know where I live?

    why do you think they are my neighbors, unless you know their identities???

  • Your right! They could’ve been visiting..

  • Stop victim blaming. There's nothing "PC" about using common sense. Fight back if you want to, but not everyone is equipped to that. Even then you have to ask yourself if it's worth it. Avoiding confrontation by handing over your wallet/purse/backpack or whatever they want is a good way to stay alive.

  • If you watch the video again, you will see that the thugs picked him out because he was not paying attention to his surroundings. That's why thug # 1 was able to punch him in the face without him seeing it coming.

    You are right. If he had used enough common sense to NOT walk down the street on the phone, the thugs would have left him alone.

    Walking down the street on the phone makes you unaware and unprotected, and therefore a potential victim. End of story.

  • I'm loving the armchair quarterbacking that social media brings out.

    The high vantage point of the surveillance (I've seen two sets of footage from different neighbors so far) shows the set up clearly. At street level walking (on a cold and drizzly day, by the way) it's just a kid who comes onto the sidewalk with his hand in his pocket and his hood pulled tight. There were other people - a guy walking his dog across the street, a woman walking down the block, cars turning off Grand - present as well.

    I walk fast, and his hand in his pocket struck me as suspicious, so I swerved a bit, so when he went to swing, I was already almost out of his reach, and he clipped the back side of my head instead of my face. I gave chase to try and catch up to their getaway vehicle and pull a plate and I slung my coffee at them to hopefully get one dirty so it would be easier to identify him later.

    I walk up on crazy folks all the time - it's Chicago, I walk all over the place and I've lived here over 20 years. You don't expect to walk into an ambush half a block from a busy business and a major thoroughfare in the middle of the day.

    I'd love to know what's, in any way, "PC" about all that? And for the record, I resisted having the clip of the attack get broadcast beyond the neighborhood watch Facebook group because I wanted the Detectives to have a chance to be able to include surveillance images of the guys involved - without headshots to look for, that's just a puff piece as far as I'm concerned. If NBC wanted to help make the community safer, they'd wait until better resolution images of the participants were pulled (they went on a shopping spree with stolen plastic within about 20 minutes of the attack) and the viewers could actually contribute to catching some badguys.

    c'est la vie

  • Concealed carry..they might’ve had a gun.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Geoff, glad your okay. Now to reply to all above. Armen, I have no idea how you came up with what you posted. At no point did I blame the victim! The point I am trying to get across is what Geoff wrote, " You don't expect to walk into an ambush half a block from a busy business and a major thoroughfare in the middle of the day"!! If the victim was in a bad neighborhood, he would be a fault just for displaying the phone. It use to be, you had some belief of safety when walking thru such a good area. Now, the PC police have done away with that and no place is safe. Notice no description the three male offenders race, or that they were all wearing hoodys!!!! If you were to do so on a blog, it would be removed so fast your head would spin and the poster would be labeled a racist! This is what I want to read other EBer's views on this. I say, thank the ACLU for the CPD doing nothing and these violent criminals running our streets without being stopped. What do you all think about that?

  • John Lofton Chicago For All

    Geoff, I'm glad you're ok. This sort of thing happens pretty much anywhere in any big city, but it's unusual to see it in broad daylight where there are people around.

    As far as the CCW suggestions go, there obviously wasn't any warning that would allow time to draw a gun before getting sucker punched. If you think it'd be a good idea to fire at the robbers as they fled, please do us a favor & move out of Chicago.

  • John Lofton Chicago For All

    As far as this having anything to do with political correctness, I'm mystified. Crime is down across the city, other than our obvious problem with shootings. I doubt more police torture is going to address the problem, since crime rates were much higher in the 1970s, while Jon Burge was using cattle prods to extract confessions from suspects.

  • The suggestion, John, was that, if the situation had been different, and it very easily could have been, having a CCW would’ve been his only hope, John..that’s the reality. And try to have a meaningful conversation without insulting people..or you can move on.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    It is rude for people who tell other people where they should live and NO crime like this doesn't happen everywhere! I know many Chicago neighborhoods where this almost never happens because neighbors would be calling the police after these criminals drove around the same block twice. " I doubt more police torture is going to address the problem", this mind is closed!!! Have a nice day.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Armen, I reread my post a few times and I now see how my post was not clear to my point. I apologize to both you and Geoff! There are good neighborhoods in Chicago. Criminals would not commit crimes in these neighborhoods because they knew they would be stopped by CPD. Now, thanks to the ACLU and anti-police lives matter groups, police don't stop anyone and no place is safe. To me that is to high of a price we all pay in the name of PC.

  • Sara Hane Owner of 3 kitties

    Watching this gives me shivers, a similar thing happened to my husband a couple of years ago over on harding and thomas. Even though we've since moved to Ohio, he's still afraid to wear a backpack in public. Thankfully the thieves didn't get anything, but they did punch my husband in the face and threw his glasses in a field.

  • Cameras. The only reason this generated the response it has, is because it was caught on camera. This happens all day every day, and you never hear about it. This wasn't these guy's first time, and it won't be their last.

  • Hannah Human

    @RAKARWOWSKI, You are truly amazing ....you can assume because of someone's race and/or if they have hoods on make them criminals but how dear us to assume you are racist based on what you post. You can dish it but you can’t take? I have been reading your post for years now and you bring up race 80% your post but yet we can’t assume you have problem with race or point out how wrong you are? ... if I walked around your block with my hood on or off you feel entitled to call the police get me questioned for being black ( or however way you see it in ur racist head) and I should be ok with it but you get very upset if someone call you racist. The difference between you and me is I am good person never hurt anyone not even someone like you and I still have to prove myself 100th time every day but someone like spread evil and still feel entitled …how does that work?

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    @Hannah, You are truly amazing ....you can assume I am racist and describing a criminal by their race and the hoody their wearing is unacceptable and automatically racist and police are evil all you want. I have been reading your post for years now and you bring up race 100% in your post about me but yet we can’t assume you have problem with race or point out how wrong you are? . If I walked around your block with my hood on or off and beat and robbed people you feel entitled to call the police get me questioned for being black ( or however way you see it in ur racist head). The difference between you and me is I am good person and care about people being violently attacked as they walk down the street but you think that PC in more important than their lives. I still have to prove myself 100th time every day but someone like you protects criminals under the vail of PC evil and still feel entitled …how does that work?

  • Hannah Human

    1) That was my 2nd post make it 50%
    2) unlike you I don't generalize it is u I find racist.
    3) I like ur post... u aggree with me and as along as u know what u ...racist... I am done.
    Evil lives off hate , anger, war which u ain't gone get from me

  • Citizen Pain Citizen Pain

    Too many uncivilized.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    ???? Okay ???? Now that you called me a racist, your gone. That is fine with me. Now the rest of us can get back to the topic of this thread.

  • Being called a racist is as offensive as any slur..it should be used rarely, and only for serious condemnation of the darkest sort. When it's slung around like so much mud, real arguments are cheapened.

  • To pull us back out of this sociological rabbit hole...

    I met with a detective at the 12th District Community Safety Meeting on Tuesday night at Smith Park Field House. I was presented with two separate batches of photo line-ups, and despite the hoods and the short interaction, I was able to identify two individuals who are known to be related to each other (brothers or cousins), each have a record and have already been tied to the crime in other ways (i.e. it's not just my ID that will put them away). The vehicle has also been determined to belong to an associate of theirs, so it's just a matter of time until the other participants have been identified as well.

    They may not be our neighbors, per se, but 4/18 was a shortened school day for "report card pick up" at the High Schools, and at least one of the participants is apparently of High School age and may attend one of the schools in the neighborhood. We're not dealing with rocket surgeons here, so there is a high likelihood that one or more of the participants has a link to the neighborhood in some way.

    We can surmise all of that from the evidence so far collected, all without addressing any racial or ethnic implications. If you spend your time walking down the street in fear or suspicion of everybody with a different skin color than your own, your time outdoors is going to get increasingly anxious...and the stats say you're more likely to be killed by an accident in your home or car or at the hands of someone you know than by a stranger on the street.

  • Everybody’s glad Geoff is ok. Most everyone will be glad that some level of justice will be served. Several will be put off that their sociological commentary seemed to not matter. One victim might learn the value of suspicion. 👍

  • Super excited Geoff responded here & dulled rhetoric with actualities.

  • Mike Conover '90's HP block orginizing,CAPS- resident since '07

    RAK- YOU are talking about someone with a closed mind? And at the same time defending your victim blaming? (Too PC a term for you?- get over it. Calling things PC is SO last century).

  • “One victim might learn the value of suspicion” - it’s still happening. This statement is slyly harassing Geoff at this point through a direct message, blaming him for someone else’s act of violence. A lot of similar posts in this thread are making me feel bad that we are doing this to each other. Provoking, angering, and responding with fight or flight. I’m probably doing more damage with this comment, but I had to call it out. I’ve been marginalized, blamed, and bullied in life, and paid a price, so when I see it I feel wrong if I don’t speak up.

    On the other hand, some of the comments have made me feel really good about my fellow neighbors. Some of you have been thoughtful, empathetic, and looked past aggressions and just looked at facts. It’s great when we listen to each other and learn from each other. I wish I could have participated more, but it’s emotionally hard to even address some of the stuff that’s flying around here.

  • A square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are square.....

  • Keep your head on a swivel, Glenn, head on a swivel..don't read something that isn't there..

  • sorry, Armen..we've gotta take the earbuds out and pay attention..

  • Jj

    Actually coming from a retired cop I am surprised to see this. He acted appropriately, a wallet and a cell phone ain’t worth loosing your life

  • Jj

    How dare you Rak call BLM an anti police lives matter? Anyone that supports BLM is against unjustified shootings, like Tamir Rice, Philando Castillo or Laquan Mcdonalds that is seen clearly on the video walking away from police. I guess white priviledge is pretty blind.

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  • Citizen Pain Citizen Pain

    Jj. Please don't use racist terms. It's not ok.

  • Mike Conover '90's HP block orginizing,CAPS- resident since '07

    Jj- you had me with your defense of BLM. BLM's actions will (eventually) help lead to better accountability, which will in turn give police better respect, more support, and from that better safety, community interaction, and quality of life (The quality of life will be better for EVERYONE (except maybe the hardcore bigots)

    But bangers ALSO need accountability. Their violence is on THEM. Poverty and discrimination can be the excuse and defense of much- but not killing others who are principally poor & discriminated against; or terrorizing poor and discriminated against communities. That just perpetuates ignorance, hate, and dragging people down. DON'T BUY INTO THAT.

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  • I've spotted a unicorn..meaning you'll rarely find a "retired police officer" with those views.

    Also, "I need a shovel' is my nice way of saying that that's a bunch of bull.. Not "spam," but my opinion..which should count if we're going to be tolerant - right?

    Monitors, don't try and steer people's views or comments by marking them as spam.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Jj, watch and learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQrnEdjQWKI Also what you clearly see is in your minds eye and not the facts so don't post that they are.

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