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Added Nov 03 2017

I know I am not the only one who has noticed the parking situation in Rogers park, but it seems to have become worse. Many of the cars I see parked have at least 3 feet in front of them and 3 feet behind them resulting in even less parking. We need to put pressure on Alderman Joe Moore to do something! Either initiate permit parking or build a couple of parking garages, or even draw lines in the road to make sure people aren't greedily taking up multiples spots. I personally am affected by this because some nights I work until 12:30 am then have to be back at 10 am the next day.. I drive around some nights for 1-2 hours looking for parking and its never close by to where I live. I know others feel the same way.
Please please lets do something about this! With winter around the corner its only going to get much worse.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Few postings in Rogers Park about parking or anything else escape a personal attack from down in Edgewater's high-rise parking-garage canyon. Winds from the south bring the unmistakable mix of bus fumes, car exhaust and boiling bunnies. But the new LAX garage at Sherwin and Sheridan is an excellent option for off-street parking contrary to never ending complaints from the little chamber and deep within the Sheridan Road Gulch.

  • The recent sniping is because our friend Bill is rumored to be planning an aldermanic campaign. Sit back and secure your seat belt, another wild year of doughnut-gate and yellow bus outfits is about to begin.

  • Nan

    I happen to live in the noxious canyon you referred to. Point made.

  • Oddly, although only 12 people read this site, Everyblock is traditionally the place where the entire aldermanic campaign is conducted--which is why Bill Morton has recently rejoined us.
    It will be fun. I'm very fond of Bill, even though I support Joe Moore and think he's been doing a very good job.

  • It is true that Rogers park/the redline can be unsafe at night and that is a small part of why I choose to drive. I also pay for car insurance and would like to utilize the car I'm paying for as well as not having to wait for the trains that run infrequently late at night. I appreciate all the useful feedback and comments made by my neighbors.

  • Also I own and do not rent so moving isn't an option, and if it were there are still other people in the neighborhood who wouldn't be able to find parking. Also paying for parking in my neighborhood in addition to paying for parking when I go to work would drive me to the poor house. I just think while we come up with a solution the very least people could be considerate when they park ( leaving room for others) I think maybe the best solution is to try and convince the city to build more garages.

  • Sandy in EdgeGlen EdgeGlen since 1987

    It's unrealistic and impractical to enforce drivers' courteous use of available parking spaces--there isn't enough money and there never will be. Painting lines on the pavement, the way suburbs with old-school meters still do, is never going to happen--the reason the company that bought the city's street-parking program adopted the European model of unmarked spaces, meter boxes and apps is precisely to be able to cram as many paying cars as possible into a given stretch--thereby maximizing revenue-per-block. But delineating spaces on an unmetered block, with no revenue to offset the cost? Dream on.

    At the same time, the city is aggressively discouraging driving by deliberately eliminating parking spaces via "bumping out" sidewalks and narrowing the roadway to barely the width of one car (not even a bike lane in addition) at block's end in both Rogers Park--in recent years, Glenwood along the tracks, and now in Edgewater (Elmdale at Broadway). The stated reason is to slow the flow of traffic, protect pedestrians (traffic lights aren't enough?) and discourage drive-bys. But the real motivation is to disincentivize private car usage in neighborhoods convenient to CTA stations. Fewer cars for the city to deal with, meet less revenue for the folks who bought the parking system. What could possibly go wrong?

    Is the city going to station officers everywhere along common pedestrian routes to & from L stations? Is it going to provide safety escorts or personal shuttle service upon request? Then how can it expect people to give up driving?

    Just curious, though--Heather, were you aware of the tight parking situation when you purchased your dwelling?

  • Sandy, I’m in the same boat as Heather. I just purchased at the end of last month and I was not aware of the parking issue. I have a good friend on Thome who I’ve visited often and have never had problems parking, and every time I visited the place I purchased, I found parking within a block (although it was during the daytime/work hours, so I may have been mislead in terms of the parking situation as a result). I take the el everyday to and from work, but I also have a business on the side that takes me into the suburbs and other states, and I need a car to carry my business items and get to my jobs. I’m also very involved in ice hockey all over the city, and it’s necessary to drive to the ice rinks with all of my equipment. This sometimes brings me home very, very late, and walking alone for 6 blocks with hockey gear at 2 am has been undesirable as a tiny, single lady, to say the least. I’m realizing quickly that there are a multitude of issues that contribute to the parking situation here in Rogers Park, but I really do think that getting the residential streets zoned for parking stickers might help a little. If people have multiple cars and they don’t need them, they might get rid of one, if they have to buy a sticker. If people have to pay for their street parking via a sticker, they tend to park more closely (I moved from Albany Park which had a similar issue but once the streets were zoned, I’ve never seen people park closer to each other). Perhaps it will discourage non-residents from parking and leaving their cars around the public transportation areas. It would also create a small revenue stream for the city, with the sticker purchases themselves, and the ticket revenue from parking violaters. If anyone is interested in helping me get a petition signed for zoning the residential streets, I would really appreciate the help and enjoy the opportunity to work together.

  • Bill just an FYI that parking garage is full every night. We always try to use that when there’s no parking on our street. We were also told that only half of the spaces would have monthly permits and the rest would be for regular parking rates. After 10 at night you still have to ride for an hour looking for parking. And a space on Farwell doesn’t help someone who lives on sherwin. Bottom line is another garage is needed

  • Sandy in EdgeGlen EdgeGlen since 1987

    We tend to get parkers from across B'way, especially those from older bldgs. w/o garages. There have been attempts over the years to get permit parking on our block, but some folks worried about guests not being able to visit them and some restaurants & shops losing business because of a lack of parking. There's also an auto-repair garage that parks customers' cars on the street after repairs are done, The part of the street between B'way & the alley is metered.

    Hate to get political here, but multi-car ownership--even collecting--w/o regard to storage, fuel consumption or pollution is viewed by many as a sacred right (co-equal to gun ownership) despite not being mentioned in the Constitution. It's gonna be a tough mindset to overcome in an increasingly "libertarian" society. Being able to freely use one's resources any way one wants is the flip side of being able to make a buck any way one can--w/o regard to others' safety and inconvenience. (IMHO, people who don't want to have to consider their neighbors and fellow citizens shouldn't live in cities).

    A friend in RP spent 12 yrs. on his condo bldg's wait list before finally being able to buy a spot in its undersized lot, and there isn't stickered street parking, so I have to either use Uber/Lyft or park in Evanston (closer than the nearest L stop) and walk when I visit--the latter very dicey at night.

    There need to be more park & ride options too, at least near major stations, to shorten an often dangerous late-night walk home. Dunno how the city can acquire the necessary land, though. And it still doesn't solve the problem of where to park near enough one's home. If the city is going to incentivize public transit use, it needs to consider commuter convenience and especially safety between station & front door. One shouldn't have to hire a rideshare to get to & from the CTA, but for now that might be the safest (albeit costly) option.

  • Nan

    Not lecturing - and absolutely sympathetic, but years ago when we were looking to buy property in the City, parking was one of the top three factors in ruling any property in or out. In our case, it wasn't only a matter of available parking, but (and feeling kind of wimpy here), how challenging the parking would be in bad weather. Visions of cars plowed in, folding chairs reserving cleared spaces (and sometimes stolen chairs) was too much for us, even though some of the nicest properties we saw were the ones with limited or no parking. The thought of having to walk blocks alone at night was also a very real concern.

    I don't think challenging the equity of two car families is the issue - because using that logic, you can equally fault neighbors who frequently have guests/entertain, or maybe operate a home-based business with clients coming and going. Parking is just a long-standing problem - and I agree that it would just make sense if either the City - or a private investor built garages in congested residential areas - especially if there are shops and restaurants nearby that would also provide revenue.

    If I lived on a block with the challenges Heather and Tricia describe, I would probably fight for stickered parking. Not perfect solution, but you can still have guests. We had a friend who lived on a street with resident sticker parking, and they gave us a guest sticker of some kind (I think they probably had to pay for them). Not sure how that works, but we were able to park without a problem (although we were probably using some resident's space).

  • Nan, that makes total sense, and I agree about how challenging two car families isn't really the issue. I was initially trying to address other comments regarding buying junk cars and flipping them quickly but I didn't articulate well enough (I wasn't initially aware that this was an issue in the RP area, but someone mentioned it as an example), and I was also offering up that stickered parking would potentially help disincentivize using public parking spaces for personal commerce and business transactions where residents need the space. It would also potentially create an incentive for multi-car households to downsize and rethink car counts, if that is an option for the family/household, but you're right that this isn't the main issue, and it's absolutely anyone's right to have as many cars as they'd like and need.

    Stickered parking is easy to navigate with guest passes, which can be acquired online via CyberDrive Illinois for very little money. I think I remember my stickers costing around 50 cents each, which is a totally reasonable expense for getting guest passes that last 24 hrs. Thank you for your support in this, as I think I'm going to start petitioning my block to get the necessary signatures to implement sticker parking. Again, if anyone around Pratt/Ashland/North Shore is interested in helping me, these streets would likely be the zoned streets that I'd be able to advocate for, and it will take a while to collect signatures and support!

  • smartypants Be Nice

    Sandy, my alderman WAS able to help my former neighborhood utilize an otherwise empty city lot at night.

  • steven beckerman Lifelong resident of the Rogers Park neighborhood.

    In addition to the MANY people who take up two spots are the number of cars with out of state plates (fully half on my block). Add to that, all the in state plates not registered in Chicago, so not paying the taxes for the upkeep of those streets, the sweeping, plowing, paving, lighting, and drainage. If we made the whole city, parking on the side streets 6pm to 6am, for cars with city stickers only, it'd be a win-win-win for everyone except the scofflaws who don't properly register their cars in the city, and pay their fair share.

  • Field Elementary allows parking for Heartland Cafe customers evenings and weekends, and it seems to be open to everyone as well (no validation required). Are there other schools and businesses that allow resident parking after hours?

  • I had a license plate from another state for 4 years and always, always had a current city sticker. Just saying.

  • Sandy in EdgeGlen EdgeGlen since 1987

    Field is still a dicey walk to & from the Heartland for a woman out walking late at night, carrying musical instruments. But if the city can release more of its own lot spaces overnight, as did Smartypants' alderman--and some businesses would do the same after-hours instead of supporting Lincoln Towing--that would ease things in RP considerably. Make land multi-task!

  • Nan

    Businesses allowing after-hours parking in their lots makes sense. If they don't want to get into the possible liability issues of renting spaces to individuals, maybe they could get a property tax break - or benefit from some of that mystery 'TIF' money.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    The Gale School parking lots recently sprouted Lincoln Towing signs. The main school lot is probably actually owned by the park district. The problem with school lots for overnight parking, though, is that school starts very early in the morning.

  • The two-block walk from Field to Heartland is "dicey"? I literally don't understand your mindset here, Sandy.
    I walk west on Lunt from the red line at least twice a week at night, and I've never seen anything that's any more "dicey" than any other area of the north side. All I see are a lot of friendly neighbors walking their dogs and ignoring me.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Yo soy Uptown.

    Didn't Pritzker already build a big ol lakefront garage?

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Jeffrey, it's ignorant comments like that that make it hard to have a truce with you.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Yo soy Uptown.

    Is this the post about parking?

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Yes, Jeffrey, it's about parking. One parking garage--not on the lakefront, btw-- does not solve the parking problem in RP.

  • Wazzup not available

    Sheridan Rd is lakefront property.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Yo soy Uptown.

    It was just a question.

  • The Sheridan garage is the fourth building in from the lake front. If you knocked it down, you still wouldn't see the lake. All three of the apartment buildings between the garage and the lake are 8 stories, twice as high as the garage, which is 4.

    The argument that the garage is a lakefront eyesore is frankly quite stupid.

    Architecturally, it's an attractive building that adds value to Sheridan. Residents keep clamouring for more parking. Well, this is pretty much the only way to do that. Even if some say there's not enough daily parking in the building, it's still taking 250 cars off streets in the area.

  • Wazzap himself lives in a lakefront building that has a little park across the street, Loyola's Piper Park. That park is one of very few open lakeside spaces along the entire length of Sheridan in Edgewater. Everywhere else along Sheridan in Edgewater, there are huge towers blocking any hope of a lake view on the east side of the street. It's pretty much a wall of towers. In contrast, in Rogers Park the buildings along the east side of Sheridan are all much shorter and much less densely packed together. Also, Sheridan hugs the lake much closer in Edgewater than it does in Rogers Park, so the buildings on its east side block lake views much more obviously than any building in RP does.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Piper Park, actually a side yard to one of the buildings on Loyola's campus, is north of Sheridan Road. Across the street is the monolithic Sullivan Center which blocks all views and access to the lake. The only lakefront property down along the canyon is the wall of high rises on the east side of Sheridan Road. The poor buildings to the west only front on 24-hour Sheridan Road traffic and never see an actual sun rise on the horizon.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Omar, the Sullivan Center is definitely across the street from Wazzy's building. I can't find a Piper Park. Perhaps it's the green space adjacent to Piper Hall, which is north of West Sheridan Rd. and therefore in RP. Live and Omar, have you forgotten about Berger Park? There is that access to the lake in Edgewater, but that may be it.

  • Wazzup not available

    @Helen - you do not know where I live - I can see the lake and the sunrise and sunset very well. Jealousy is not a good trait.

  • Wazzup not available

    Sheridan Road Residents enjoy parks at Granville next to El Largo, Thorndale next to the Synagogue, and the major full amenity park at Osterman Beach on Hollywood. That is 3 lakeside parks within 1 mile stretch of North Sheridan Rd. Most west side residents can see the lake. Piper Hall is a wonderful restoration - across from Loyola South and
    Edgewater St Ignatius Plaza - another walk, sit, enjoy plaza - courtesy of Loyola and the Edgewater Alderman. Another wonderful plaza for the enjoyment of Sheridan Rd, Kenmore and Winthrop residents. Thank you Loyola and Alderman Osterman. Edgewater - the place to live, work and play. We have tons of wonderful outdoor amenities. Many residents (over 10,000) have direct lakeside access and views.

  • I can see Canada from my house!

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  • Jeffrey Littleton Yo soy Uptown.

    Why do you feed trolls?

  • Live From Rogers Park

    @Helen Maybe it's why Rogers Park dumped that stretch of Sheridan Road into Edgewater when the Ward boundaries were redrawn in 2015.

  • Bill Morton President, Rogers Park Chamber of Commerce

    "Live from Rogers Park", there is a difference between the 49th Ward and the Rogers Park neighborhood (Community Area 1).

    City of Chicago - Map of the 49th Ward and 33 Election Precincts:
    https://app.chicagoelections.com/documents/general/document_4026.pdf

    City of Chicago - Community Areas:
    https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/doit/general/GIS/Chicago_Maps/Citywide_Maps/Community_Areas_W_Numbers.pdf

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Right. That still doesn't change the fact that the stretch of Sheridan Road south of Devon isn't part of Rogers Park and got dumped into Edgewater when the Ward boundaries were redrawn in 2015. Rogers Park Community Area #1 doesn't want it and the 49th Ward doesn't want it. Is there really a difference?

  • Bill Morton President, Rogers Park Chamber of Commerce

    If it is South of Devon, it was never Rogers Park. Nothing ever got "dumped into Edgewater".

    The community boundaries do not change every ten years with the US Census, like the Ward boundaries do. Also, the Ward remap is always based on population density, not if "Rogers Park Community Area #1 doesn't want it and the 49th Ward doesn't want it".

    The following is directly from the US Census on this subject. Feel free to read all 18 pages of the history and development of the program, if you like:

    "Voting district (VTD) is a generic term adopted by the Bureau of the Census
    to include the wide variety of small polling areas, such as election districts,
    precincts, or wards, that State and local governments create for the purpose
    of administering elections. Some States also use groupings of these entities
    to define their State and local legislative districts, as well as the districts they
    define for election of members to the U.S. House of Representatives. In a
    nationwide cooperative program for the 1980 census, the Census Bureau
    gave States the opportunity to request use of these election precinct boundaries
    as the boundaries of census enumeration districts (EDs) or, in some
    areas, census blocks. The Census Bureau began using the term voting districts
    as it began planning for the 1990 census. This chapter describes the
    events that led to the development of the VTD program for the 1980 and
    1990 censuses, and briefly explains the operations and procedures the
    Census Bureau used to implement the program."

    https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/reference/GARM/Ch14GARM.pdf

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Speaking of boundaries, will the Rogers Park chamber formally welcome New York chef Sanchez and his Bermuda-based corporate partner's food truck to Morse Avenue later on today? It must be an honor for the local chamber to promote not only an out of state business celebrity but also a foreign country's business operation in Rogers Park. The expression "Support Local Business" has suddenly taken on global, or at least western hemisphere, dimensions now hasn't it? Will Sanchez LLC or Bacardi Ltd become new members of the chamber?

  • Community area boundaries count less than official ward boundaries, because it's the ward that determines who your alderman is, where you vote, how all your stats are counted, etc. Under the old ward map, the 49th ward had a narrow strip that stretched all the way down to Granville. Wazzup used to reside in the 49th ward. He considered it a personal accomplishment when his block was switched over to the 48th ward, although he had as much to do with that as he does with the rainfall. Ever since, he has been speaking ill of Rogers Park and glorifying Edgewater at every opportunity, no doubt because he can't quite get rid of that lingering feeling that his ward might switch back some day and his neighborhood status is not quite pure. Ward boundaries can and will change again.

    Here's the old ward map, put in effect in 2001:
    http://49thward.blogs.com/49/2004/06/ward_map.html

  • plus, if he crosses the street to go into the Mundelain Center for the Performing Arts, he's suddenly in Rogers Park. The proximity to our filthy ward must be extremely difficult for him. Think of the stench!

  • Nan

    I'm not sure it's neighborly to identify where a poster on EB lives, unless they've already done so themselves. Wasn't this thread about Heather looking for parking? Did she find a space?

  • Bill Morton President, Rogers Park Chamber of Commerce

    Rogers Park currently has two Aldermen look at the Ward maps:

    40th Ward - Alderman Patrick O'Connor
    https://app.chicagoelections.com/documents/general/document_4017.pdf

    49th Ward - Alderman Joe Moore
    https://app.chicagoelections.com/documents/general/document_4026.pdf

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  • Live From Rogers Park

    How can a fictional screen character with a name like Wazzup actually live anywhere other than in someone's imagination? Wazzup isn't a real person and there is no mail box with the name Wazzup on it anywhere in the real world. Fictional characters like Wazzup are as incapable of being physically attacked as are Elmer Fudd or Daisy Duck. Why all the high drama?

  • Rob

    "she does not know who I am or where I live."

    Wazzup - Since you seem to derive your self worth from the assets you've accumulated, you have a very bad habit of revealing way too much personal information about yourself and your condo when you boast about it. Also, there are certain topics where you make almost verbatim comments here as on some of the Rogers Park facebook pages. I won't link to any of them, as that would be violating the EveryBlock TOS, but you really should be more careful if you don't want people to know who you are.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Just one word. There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. (Mr. McGuire to young Wazzoomba The Graduate.)

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  • Nan

    Not looking for conflict - or to spin this 'parking; thread in yet another direction, but I think over time, many of us may have knowingly or inadvertently revealed bits and pieces of information that could ultimately lead to being identified (I inadvertently discovered who at last two people on EB are in the 'real world)' - so yes, I wouldn't characterize it as 'drama' to not publicly identify where someone lives if they haven't chosen to do so themselves.

    I'm don't know what any of Wazzup's prior comments have to do with someone else identifying where he lives. Even if someone does manage to lead a trail to their own door, that shouldn't suggest that it's good practice for someone else to do it, even if it's not being done maliciously.

    Did Heather find parking??

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