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Added Jan 27 2012

Is anyone interested in joining me to urge Alderman Moreno to sign legislation allowing the 13th, 14th, and 19th police districts to issue concealed weapons permits to qualified people in the 1st Ward?

  • J-Wahhh Trying to do Everyblock without being a cry baby

    Jeremy, I wish the NRA was as interested in responsible gun ownership as people like you.

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  • I hope you realize soon there will be no winner in this discussion. You can go round and round for weeks and nobody is going to change their positions.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    @ Jason W . Do you think Obama isn't anti Gun ??? I would think the massive increases in gun and ammo purchases is enough evidence that America thinks he is anti gun . He has stated anti gun bias trime and again . Do you ignore that ? Well America isn't ignoring that . It is why Obama is known as the Leading gun Salesman in History . Be fair here you can't possibly believe he is pro gun . Do you ? I would think anyone except those on the exteme left would also see and acknowledge that he is NOT INTERESTED in bi partisanship . His record shows the opposite Using every chance to blame the Republicans and making that as adversarial a relationship as possible . Even Bill Clinton criticizes him for it . No , the evidence supports he is not a Uniter but a Divider . He does it in Congress and by pitting Americans against Americans on Ideology , Race , Ethnicicity , Religion, Immigration Status , and the all Important Class Warfare agenda . Do you ignore the overwhelming evidence ? A leader would be uniting us in our hour of need .

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    @ Jason W To answer your other question . Yes , of course I know there is a mechanism to ammend the Constitution...so why don't they use it ????? Obama has gone around the Constitution it on a number of issues... Religous Freedom , Individual Mandate NDAA and the Recess Appointments to name a few . He has also appointed activist's to the High Court that believe that the Constitution is to be interpreted on their whims instead of being discussed and ammended ..Big difference even the Liberals should be able to discern . So, my question is why do you all ignore it when he does it ? Where is your voice ? Or is it OK because your guy is doing it and you will all look past it for him ? Do you have any ethics on the left at all ? Can you see this is unprecedented in our History ? No president has acted like our Ruler rather then our Elected Servant more then him , and he gets a free pass from his adoring media and the people on the left . To tie this back to CCW . Why do you think Americans are bujying guns in record numbers ? do you think it might have to do with Obama and the Dems deisire for Gun control and his record of acting outside the boundaries of the Constitution ?

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  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Yes Wanda A. Lincoln abused the Consitution to the 10 power during the Civil War and almost stopped habeas corpus while printing worthless 3 dollar bills as fast as he could. No wonder why he is Obama's hero, Obama follows the constitution just as past Presidents have indeed!!!

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    The Civil War I think would qualify as a special reason but I wasn't around then

  • Tom G Living in Avondale since 1994

    Oh, come on Rakarwowski. Lincoln? You're missing the forest for the trees. I seem to remember he accomplished a few small things.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Mark do you live in a high rise, have body guards, order everything you need delivered, can I move into your place. Wait, where is that place you are in?

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Tom with all these heavy thoughts, you got to let me have a little fun, liten things up a bit.

  • alex trebeck Ukrainian Village since 1990

    President Obama has not, and probably will not, piss off half the country with more gun restrictions. Its a low political priority, and the cost would be too high. But that doesnt stop the NRA from their fear-mongering. Thats why gun sales are so high.

    Now Rahm is another story. He wants state registration. If he cant ban the guns, then he will push for more harassment laws. Fortunately, the rest of the state is not gun phobic.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Alex i agree with most of that , however I think you uinderestimate Obama's Ability to piss off half the country . I don't think he much cares if he pisses off conservatives as he knows they don't vote for him . He has displayed amazing smugness on this already . I agree Rahm will do everything he can to make life difficult for people who want to own a gun legally . I heard something on the radio today about a bill going through the legislature that would put another new tax on ammo . They didn't think it would pass however

  • Beach and Homan - 30 Years 30 Year resident HP, 60 Year, Lifelong Chicago Res

    @ALEX: And will probably not be re-elected to Mayor of Chicago because of so many of the idiotic things he is doing now, has already done, and will do before election time rolls around again.

    Stupidity is predictable, and Rahm is totally stupid and totally predictable - a TRUE MORON who is doing everything he can to run Chicago into the sewer - further down than Detroit.

    When he realizes he cannot run for Mayor in Chicago again, he will set his sights in Springfield and then we are ALL SCREWED!

  • alex trebeck Ukrainian Village since 1990

    BIKE JEDI: Conservatives wont vote for him? On the contrary. The moderates are the ones that decide elections. Both left leaning moderates and right leaning moderates.

  • alex trebeck Ukrainian Village since 1990

    BEACH: you may not like Rahm's politics, but do not underestimate him. He is a highly intelligent and experienced politician. If its any consolation, he will not be mayor for ever. I think he has higher aspirations, and will be a US Senator in 10 years.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    I didn't say wont I said they don't . Obama knows this and dismisses those people with the smugness he is famous for

  • Beach and Homan - 30 Years 30 Year resident HP, 60 Year, Lifelong Chicago Res

    Rahm was thrown out of Washington because he iritated too many high ranking people. He did not resign to run for Mayor of Cesspool City, but dug his own grave there just like he is doing here.

    He will never be re-elected in Chicago, and the rest of the voters in illinois won't allow him to be elected to higher office anywhere else.

    In most cases turds float. In Rahm's case. he will sink to the bottom of the latrine where he belongs.

    The old boy party is over. As he places more and more financial encumberances on the residents of Chicago, srews over CPD, CFD, teachers, and other job holders he will put the noose around his own neck and slap the ass of the high horse he has been riding so he finally hangs himself.

    Unfortunately, Chicago will be in finanxial ruin by then.

  • gpblight 22 Yr East Garfield Resident

    We are ALREADY in financial ruin.

  • Beach and Homan - 30 Years 30 Year resident HP, 60 Year, Lifelong Chicago Res

    Fear NOT! Rahm can, and WILL do a whole lot more financial damage!

    He thinks his balet training made him "Queen of Sheba" and he's out to loot the jewels so he further add to his ilgotten fortune!

  • Joe

    12 states on path to guns with no permits : http://usat.ly/wBPoVj

  • alex trebeck Ukrainian Village since 1990

    JOE: wow! I knew about vermont, but did not know three more states now do not require CCW permits for their citizens to carry......and that includes arizona? Phoenix is a big city! WOW!

    I think this could be a political misstep. Currently the CCW permit holders have a very low incidence of improper gun use. Removing CCW requirements will give the left more leverage in their "ban or die" arguements.

  • Mark Rector Logan Square and loving it!

    Rakarwowski - I am a 20+ year resident of Logan Square. Before that I lived in NYC. I grew up in Kansas and got my first shotgun when I was 10 years old. I've just never, ever, felt that I needed to carry a gun to defend myself.

  • Did not realize that Every Block had become a bastion of the far right extremists. How sad. I was under the impression it was to be a place where everyone could give their educated opinions without harassment. Clearly I was wrong. Opinions here ripped apart by the far right who post "facts" when there are none. I won't waste my time on this site again. Hopefully someone in Chicago will open a bipartisan site where people can actually communicate.

  • Buster

    Wanda. I just ignore posts about guns. The two sides will never meet. Same goes for the old car vs. bike debates.

  • Tom G Living in Avondale since 1994

    Sorry to lose you, Wanda. It's not that this site attracts extremists. At least I haven't found that to be so. It's more like being in an extended family where you know that once you open up certain topics Uncle Fred and Aunt Marge will get into it again. Besides, it's the silly season again.

  • Tom G - I don't mind a spirited discussion. But when someone calls me ignorant - then gets my post deleted - just to go and rail against me with "facts" that aren't, it's not encouraging intelligent conversation. People like you are fine to go back and forth with - as are some others on this site. But there are some who think their word is gold - when it is just lies. Not a good place to have intelligent discussions. Thanks Tom!

  • gpblight 22 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Boy! u guys sure go to town with bantering. Wanda, don't go...just build a thick skin for the differences in opinions. This is like arguing religion, politics, race...a hot button topic.

    If you feel you have been unjustly treated...return email the moderator Becca or Mariana. They can explain the rules guidelines or get you un deleted if they feel it was unfair.

    They are fair. Sometimes I get BONKED too.

    Some topics are just hotbutton and alot of useless bantering goes on if no ones' position changes. Expression is good. But it should result in a positive outcome...like something changing for the good.

    Lots are too old and need to be RIGHT. It is a cultural problem. I like being wrong...it helps me reset a priority that was made too long ago and is not current.

  • gpblight - I actually have a pretty thick skin. It just seems that this site is really for the far right. I can discuss anything intelligently but when someone who seems to dominate the site gets you deleted then rails against you - and manages to stay on the site - it seems a bit biased - to say the least. I can deal with "know it alls" as long as they don't have so much pull you don't get to say your piece.

    Thanks for the "pep talk."

  • Rahm DID resign and was NOT run out of Washington. He made the decision when Daley resigned TO BE WITH HIS DYING WIFE. That is the only reason Daley resigned. He wanted to spend as much time with Maggie as he could before she died.

  • Tom G Living in Avondale since 1994

    gpblight: You said, "Lots are too old and need to be RIGHT." Think about that generalization. Narrow-mindedness isn't a symptom of aging.

  • gpblight 22 Yr East Garfield Resident

    wanna migrate to a different thread? Try the vacant lot discussion. Maybe if we are effective enough the lots will get cleaned by their owners including the city. AND maybe some can get sold to adjacent owners! That would be a productive ...involvement :-)

  • Actually, because of you and Tom G I decided to give this one another try. Although, I would love to see something good done with the vacant lots - maybe community gardens this summer?

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  • gpblight 22 Yr East Garfield Resident

    This thread is not my bag. But for some reason emails come to me...I am not for these garden things. I think a new movement should be to FORCE the city to sell these lots and return them into taxpaying parcels. It is a racket to hold vacant land for 40 years...and ultimately kills the neighborhood.

    Without private ownership of land and land that pays TAXES...the remaining have to pay taxes for themselves plus the revenue lost on the vacant parcels to pay for city services that escallate each and every year..

    It is a vicious cycle...gone on for far too long and it has bankrupt the neighborhood and the city. My block is half empty and about 300 units have been lost (a couple were small hotels)

    Community gardens started 40 years ago in Depaul. Eventually they turned into a public building like Depaul university administration or a playlot.

    Here it is a different animal. We are fighting for our existence...we need NEW RESIDENTS to come and occupy the neighborhood. We are shrinking in population every year. If every house purchased the adjacent city owned lot next door...we could return maybe 10-15% of the parcels to the TAX ROLLS.

    Becca and Mariana please don't delete me. This is an official invitation to someone to join another thread that would benefit their BLOCK. :-)

  • Tom G Living in Avondale since 1994

    Wanda--Community gardens are great. Please go to the main Avondale section of this site, if you're in Avondale, and put your comment there to start a new thread. That is, unless you'd like to discuss whether or not you should be able to carry a concealed weapon in a community garden.

  • Tom - probably not a good idea since I might shoot someone stealing my tomatoes! Not seriously! :-) Sorry - I'm not in Avondale.

  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    Mark, I respect your feelings and you never need to carry a gun so why can't you respect the Consitution and allow me the right to follow it like the other 49 states. The last 20+ years Logan Square has been getting a lot better. Have you ever witnessed a gang shooting in front of your home? I have a few times! You may not need a gun to protect yourself, but I must protect my family because Rahm and the police are not going to!

  • J-Wahhh Trying to do Everyblock without being a cry baby

    Hey, maybe we should try getting back on topic.

    Joe, you said up-thread, quote: 'There is not one instance of CCW holder in the other 49 states "losing control"'

    So I provided evidence of hundreds. Will you admit you were incorrect about that?

    Yes, I know, it's a "drop in the bucket" as others have said. But "not one instance" is plainly wrong, we can all agree. And certainly, each of those crimes was horrible for someone's family.

    OK, now that you have that data, on to step 2. Please present some data about CCW holders who prevented crimes, stopped crimes, scared away criminals, or anything else. Get your numbers together and let's compare. Then maybe we'll be able to weigh the issue subjectively. # of times CCW has helped vs. harmed.

    Can any of you do that? I truly don't know what that data would show, and I am ready to change my mind if you've got it.

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  • Tom G Living in Avondale since 1994

    RAKA: Speaking of CCW, are you any relation to Captain R.A. Karwowksi who was stationed at El Toro Marine Corps Air Station in 1988?

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  • RAKARWOWSKI RETIRED CITY WORKER, CLEANING UP HUMBOLDT PARK

    HA HA Tom, no my father served in WWII.

  • RAKA - I don't need to say anything. You proved my point with your post.

  • Joe

    Only Wanda gets to call people names, i would like to Wanda to provide a 3rd party reference to back up any of the opinion written. By 3rd party I mean a study of some kind not a Maddow link.

  • Joe - I'm looking and I guess far righter is a bad name to you guys. Hmmm. And, just for the record, I've never sen Maddow's show.

  • Tom G Living in Avondale since 1994

    RAKA: If you Google R.A. Karwowski you will find the L.A. Times report from 1988 about a horrible crash at an airshow and your namesake as a captain who survived because he missed the flight. (Just doing a normal background security check here, sir.) But nothing about CCW.

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