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Added Jan 18 2018

https://www.ward49.com/news/why-i-voted-against-the-taxpayer-subsidy-for-presence-health/

    Why I voted against the taxpayer subsidy for Presence Health
    The City Council yesterday voted to provide a $5.6 million tax increment finance subsidy to Presence Health. I was one of 18 aldermen who voted against the subsidy. Allow me to explain why. The subsidy was given to entice the health care provider to move its headquarters, and the 200 jobs that came with it, from the suburbs to downtown Chicago.
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  • Rob

    I love watching all the Ginderske type folks tripping over themselves trying to explain how you should have voted the other way so they could have their campaign issue.

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    Rob, my favorite comments are from those who take credit for pressuring me to vote against the proposal, ignoring the fact that my vote was consistent with my 30-year record of strong support for women's reproductive rights.

    Alas, the political "silly season" is already upon us. Usually, we are spared the silliness and political posturing until the summer before the next aldermanic election. This time around we have 13 full months to endure!

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    The sad part of that, Joe, is that those doing the political posturing should be working on the midterms in whatever ways they are able instead of worrying about an election more than a year away.

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    Right you are, Helen. I don't think there will be a more important election in our lifetime.

  • The right decision. Thanks, Ald. Moore.

  • Little Herbie

    Uh, where is the explanation? What was wrong about moving the 200 jobs?

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    Did you read my statement?

  • This is what happens with government overreach and when politics and religion mix.
    Good for Presence for not forcing its employees to go against their conscience--Constitutional rights.
    If Chicago's taxes weren't already so high there wouldn't have to be major concessions/favors for luring job rich companies like Amazon or even Presence to Chicago. Meanwhile, small businesses--and the productive people who start them, work for them--don't get such breaks and are leaving for areas with lower taxes.
    Joe Moore, stand up to the unions with their outrageous demands and vote against actions which require tax $$$.

  • d3 NOH

    Also all the same reasons I avoid products by bimbo which also owns Entemanns bakery.

  • JON Retired

    We need term limits. Your vote proves it.

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    Your statement proves why term limits are undemocratic. My vote against the Presence Health subsidy represents the views of the overwhelming number of my constituents. You disagree with my vote. Your answer is not to try to convince your neighbors of your point of view and vote me out of office. Rather, it is to simply set an artificial time limit on my service that has no bearing on whether I am representing the views and needs of my constituents.

  • headsup not available

    There should be no such thing as a career politician in the same job for decades. . Politicians should either aspire to a higher political position - or have regular jobs and take a break to serve their community and then return to their regular career.

  • We already have term limits in place--it is called elections. Don't like a politician--don't vote for him/her and convince your fellow constituents to do the same.
    Change for the sake of change is not beneficial.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    I support you decision Joe. Strong support for women's reproductive rights is beyond commendable... it's the right thing to do.

  • JON Retired

    Undemocratic??????

  • Joe Moore Alderman, 49th Ward

    Yep. Rather than the people deciding who represents them, the decision is made by some arbitrary law.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    It was a simple decision. Taxpayer money should not be used to support highly profitable, religious corporations that determine social policy and women's health-care rights by an all-male executive leadership that is strongly discriminatory.

  • Spam Alert Don't be selling your used junk up in here, okay?

    Informative thread. Thanks, all.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Will wonders never cease? Good neighbor and I actually agree with each other that term limits are not the way to go.

  • Little Herbie

    Don’t be naive Joe. We all know that incumbency is the thumb on the scale,especialy when it comes to elections and that incumbents generally are safe. Hmm, I wonder why.

    You first won as an antiestablishment candidate and eons later you have become “one of the boys”. Incumbency has such a corrosive effect.

    And I read your brief 200 jobs paragraph, and I still don’t know what that is a bad thing. Did I miss something in your brief statement.

  • Phill "Obama wants to know everything"

    Rogers Park needs a brand-new alderman. Our neighborhood deserves better!

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Voters in Rogers Park's 49th Ward are pretty darn savvy and highly involved in community affairs. You can't flim flam us with smoke and mirrors and get away with it. Just ask any of the former candidates who have lost an election, or even multiple elections, in the 49th Ward. Those losers can tell it to you straight. Rogers Parkers know when they are being well-represented in Chicago's City Council and we keep track of things like that from one election to another. And if anyone thinks that we have repeatedly made the wrong choice for seven elections in a row then just stand up and say it because we, the majority of the 49th Ward electorate, don't agree with you and we know what we want and we know when we are being well served.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Totally agree with you Live.

  • Little Herbie

    Joe has spent his entire adult professional career feeding at the public trough. With a six figure income and all those other generous perks, he is not about to support term limits. His assertion that they are unnecessary because we have elections is something you might get away with talking to a ninth grade civics class.

    Hey, why should elected officials even get pensions in the first place when so many of their constituents are not. Eliminating them might be a backdoor way of getting term limits! Take away the “prerks” and see the revolving door swing into action.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    And then we end up with what... inept alderman who do NOT have a clue? I've already seen the competition over the years and quite frankly they don't cut it, Be careful what you ask for you just might get it, And then all of us are stuck in reverse vs. moving forward as we have under Joe's position as Alderman.

    BTW, I'm not opposed to term limits when it comes to the POTIS, congressmen, governors and even mayor. But, I prefer to have an Alderman, who is our real in-touch local representative, that does a great job... and when they don't, then getting re-elected will not happen. Obviously, Joe has done and continues to do an excellent job and service to our community.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    My vote helps determine an elected official's term limits. And the collective vote of Rogers Park's majority electorate determines our Alderman's term limits. So far seven terms has been just fine according to the majority and we won't let a minority opinion become the tail that wags the dog. We are pretty much just fine with how we are being represented down at the City Council and pretty much just fine with Rogers Park or we wouldn't still be living here and voting here. Read My Vote.

  • Little Herbie

    Hey, I think the residents of Rogers Park are more concerned about clean safe neighborhoods with a thriving commercial district than they are with their Alderman’ views on reproductive rights or other contentious issues.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Woman's rights are paramount and clearly important when they turn into political issues that require a vote, as the Presence funding did. I expect the alderman to be well rounded and concerned with all issues from "clean safe neighborhoods with a thriving commercial district" to human rights of all people, citizens and immigrants. This isn't Trump territory or his politics here in Rogers Park.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    A Rogers Parker's view of Rogers Park and our Alderman's views on anything, contentious or not, is far more accurate and credible than views of the same things from persons who live in other places that are south of Devon like Edgewater. Wouldn't you agree with that Herbie? Come on up to Rogers Park, visit with us if you're interested and we can talk about things like that. From our perspective there is nothing at all contentious about women having rights to make decisions about their own health care. At least that's how most women and most men in Rogers Park feel about it.

  • headsup not available

    women have rights - as do all residents of a community - rights to overall healthcare. those 4 new facilities will bring much needed health care to the health care blighted communities in the south side. It is understandable why people with health care facilities galore think they can deny others health care because of their religious beliefs. I for one am pleased this funding to provide most health care services as opposed to no health care facilities won the day for those constituents. Remember "Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all".

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Woman deserve the full ""9 yards" when it comes to their healthcare and rights. Our city should NOT be supporting religious organizations, particularly medical groups, that do NOT support a woman's right to full health care based on their own religious beliefs.

    I this case we need a glass that's 100% full, not 50% empty.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    Women have a Constitutional right to manage their own health care and select from a full loaf of health care services. The Catholic Church has every right to discriminate against women, based on theological principles, and provide only half a loaf but they should not expect to receive a full taxpayer subsidy if that's all they are willing to sell. The vote against subsidizing Presence Health was a vote opposing discrimination against women. It's very simple.

  • headsup not available

    nice that we can afford $ 115 million for poor bus shelters that cause injury - but we cant afford $ 5.5 million for 4 new service facilities and a corporate downtown office employing many residents who need jobs. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. We need more citizens with a sufficient education to understand "cost and benefits". All this discussion is academic - the issue has been solved to the benefit of those in the community needing more medical services. Hooray!

  • robin in WRP I support a 28th Amendment 4Free & Fair Elections!

    Waz - that corporate downtown office is temporary. Amita, the new parent company, is moving to a new headquarters in Lisle; Presence will at some point also move there, as they centralize to cut costs

  • Spam Alert Don't be selling your used junk up in here, okay?

    Re Little's term limit rant: I know whenever I need to evaluate and choose a professional - doctor, lawyer, accountant, legislator - I always pick the newbie with zero experience. It always works out best that way, doncha know!

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  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    "Last election resulted in a re run" really Wazzup? I think you need to start paying attention to the facts, not the fake news, which you are now perpetuating... everyone knows you are WRONG, including the person who lost.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Awww, give Wazzy a break, Reid. Afterall, he and all these other Edgewater residents know squat about Rogers Park and what its residents want. Here they are, railing against our alderman's vote on this issue when their alderman voted the same way.

    Wazzy, Reid's correct; you're attempting to peddle FAKE news. We haven't had a run-off in more than 10 years.

  • JON Retired

    No Helen you should analyze the news instead of being always in lock step with Joe Moore. Alderman O'Connor voted correctly for the subsidy

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  • JON Retired

    O Helen I did not know you are the Eb police. Bet Alderman Moore is proud of your support of his vote. Guess you have no idea of Ward boundaries. Maybe it is you who should mind your own business!

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    You should pay more attention to your own ward John considering you don't live in this ward. the 49th. It is only your opinion that O'Connor "voted correctly for the subsidy" - many disagree, Women have the right to make decisions on all matters concerning their bodies, not some hypocritical - out of date / out of the loop healthcare provider guided by religious views that have NO place in any medical care provider's protocol... this is the 21st century not the medieval times as they abide by in the Red States.

    And as Helen states "why don't you MYOB?" and we'll mind ours.

    There's good reason why there's separation between church and state... this is a perfect example of why our forefathers incorporated that from the very beginning.

  • Live From Rogers Park

    This was a properly cast vote in opposition to subsidizing a business that openly and brazenly discriminates against women. In this case, because of its religious foundations, the discrimination is legal but it should not be supported with taxpayer money. Subsidizing Presence Health would have the effect of forcing taxpayers to condone discriminatory practices and religious beliefs that many find to be disagreeably offensive. This particular form of discrimination by the Roman Catholic Church is legally protected but it should not be imposed as a religiously based tax burden on the general population.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Wow, telling someone to MYOB is now considered a personal attack. Poor John is just so sensitive.

    Nevertheless, most of Edgewater is represented by Osterman who also voted against the subsidy. O'Connor probably got his marching orders on the vote from the Cardinal.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    MYOB is NOT a personal attack, particularly when a resident from another ward, John Lyria, is personally attacking you Helen, a 49th Ward resident, which this post is about:

    The 49th Ward Alderman Joe Moore, and why he voted against supporting a religious medical center that is now being subsidized by city money when they clearly discriminate against women's rights.

    That public money is our money! I stand with Joe, as Live and you do Helen.

  • Spam Alert Don't be selling your used junk up in here, okay?

    "MYOB is NOT a personal attack...."

    Dunno about an attack, but to me it is no different than telling someone, "shut up." There's just so darn much of that rudeness these days. Why add to it? Back in the olden days, that was tantamount to cussing at someone.

    Can we all agree that it's just another way of trying to shut someone down, but without using a reasoned argument?

  • JON Retired

    Of course it is a personal attack! Anyway would like to see this alderman's support from his constituents on this issue. He may be strong on budgeting participation by his supporters, but does he ever ask his supporters as to their support on issues other than public art and bicycle racks.

  • JON Retired

    For someone to suggest that an alderman would take his "marching orders from the cardinnal" goes back to the bigoted thoughts of the 1960 presidential election when certain groups campaigned against John Kennedy with the idea he would take orders from the Pope. I am surprised any one thinks that bigoted way today.

  • robin in WRP I support a 28th Amendment 4Free & Fair Elections!

    Really, Mr. Lyrla? With the rise of hate crimes in this country, you are surprised that there are bigots?

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    John Lyria, you are so out of touch with what residents of the 49th Ward think that you probably really believe that a majority of them agree with you on this issue.

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