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Added Feb 13 2012

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-emanuel-speed-camera-records-20120212,0,1891436.story

And like clockwork our intrepid news reporters decide to look into a bill AFTER it's been passed. What do they find? Big surprise but there are lobbyists, secrecy, falsehoods and lies. My favorite part is Rahm reprimanding the newspaper because they won't publish a report proving how dangerous the city is. And then not actually releasing that same report because it's confidential. Now that's Chutzpah!

The thing that really turns me off with Rahm is his arrogance. He's all "I" this and "me" that, never we. It's all about what Rahm the petulant little boy King wants. Personally I didn't think I'd sour on him so fast but six months is enough of him in my opinion. Shudder to think but he almost makes me miss Daley.......Almost.

  • ROTC once upon a time - but that doesn't really count. Not sure why service records are germane to the conversation though.

  • Inactive user

    It was pretty much a rhetorical question.

    Nobody who has served in the military would ever believe that they could ever be "efficient" in anything.

    There is such a thing as 'military efficiency" but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. The US military is very good at sharpening the spearhead of the war machine into a lean, mean, fighting machine -but only so far as that the very edge is refined and sharp but the whole spearhandle behind it is a massive blundering machine plagued with inefficiencies and bureaucracy and parallels the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Entropy is always increasing.

    FUBAR is how the US military (and all militarizes) work. You can make on part of the machine efficient and work very well but at the massive expense elsewhere behind the scenes.

    To believe that the military can somehow get its act together and actually create a decrease in entropy and gain inefficiencies that will somehow radiate outwards to the rest of the world is laughable.

  • Y_2_K I aspire to be who I am.

    James is right. And, even if the military WERE efficiently spending $$ (LMAO, bullsnort), that's $$ we need to be spending here, not in god knows where.

  • James - judging by your comment I think you completely missed the point (and likely didn't bother clicking on the link). The military, like any massive organization, is full of waste. However, it wields a lot of power, influence and momentum. The military has been on the leading edge of tech development for decades (the internet being a solid example of technology developed because of military research). Because they've set energy efficiency goals, money will be directed at technology that reduces energy and environmental footprints.

    This has nothing to do with bureaucracy and everything to do with a massive organization pushing green technologies and research. Whether the money is being spent efficiently is beside the point.

  • Inactive user

    No, I think you missed my point.

    The military might develop some new technologies that will save some energy in small areas that will help to fight better at the sharpened end of the stick or to help lower the needs of some of their far outposts where supply chains are long and getting fuel and supplies there is a massive undertaking that uses up 20-100 times as much fuel and supplies in getting there than it actual delivers.

    But you miss the point that for every new efficiency the military creates it will USE IT UP and become even more ineffecient in the support end because now they can afford it.

    It's like how new studies have shown that people with highly efficient cars tend to DRIVE MORE MILES now because they can afford to. People with Priuses and other Hybrids tend to use up their new-found effiencies on driving more miles because with lower fuel costs they can afford to take more trips and go more places. In the end they actually burn just as much gas -but go further with it because their new efficiency now allows them to get away with it. They don't use their cars less -they use them MORE and push their new limits right to the edge.

    The military will do this too -in spades, trumping their old limits and pushing them even further.

    Any technology that trickles down from these new advances will either not be very useful in the civilian world, be classified top-secret defense technology and not shared, or be so expensive that it will be out of reach of anyhow but a Ginormous World Bureaucracy like the US military.

    Do you know where some of the worst Superfund toxic waste sites are in the US and around the world? -US military installations. They don't play by the same rules everyone else has to.

  • James,

    Still missing the point. When a massive organization like the military wants to invest in technology and research, it gets done. Congress is the roadblock for investing more money in green technology. If the DoD says they need to spend money on something, they generally get it. If Obama tells Congress he wants something, it gets debated endlessly. See the difference?

    As for technology that trickles down from those advances being not very useful in the civilian world, classified, or expensive, allow me to introduce you to other advances that aren't useful to civilians, classified, or too expensive such as:

    - GPS
    - Satellite communication
    - The internet
    - Nuclear power
    - Radar
    - Jet engines

    Please let me know if you'd like additional examples of these nigh-useless technologies.

    As for your reference to research on people with efficient cars driving more miles, that theory was recently debunked. Turns out that people actually have to go where they have to go, regardless of the car they drive. In essence, the Prius Effect is a load of crap.

    Again - feel free to check the math: http://co2scorecard.org/home/researchitem/23

  • Inactive user

    I've got a great business deal for you. I'm selling shares of Lower Wacker Dr. Send a money order and you can own a part of it too...

  • Y_2_K I aspire to be who I am.

    James you'd be much better if you didn't resort to indirect insults and other stuff after 2-3 posts where someone doesn't share your opinion. You're much better on chainlink, must be b/c everyone agrees with you.

  • Inactive user

    Y_2_K -I wish, apparently you don't read The Chainlink very much...

  • Here's a site to rate the job our Mayor is doing.

    http://www.tabsonrahm.org/

  • gerigirl I live and breathe this city!

    Thanks Chris.......For getting this post back on track!

  • Ssshhh! Don't let Mitch know, I told him the thread was over ;)

  • @Chris -- Unfortunately, there are way too many people still giving him a favorable rating. Guess they are living in a parallel universe Chicago.

  • Inactive user

    The thing about serfs is they have been bred and trained to worship authority figures in uniforms and fancy hats.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Somebody up there mentioned I parroted Limbaugh . I do listen but never heard that particular quote which just goes to show great minds think alike . He , like myself deals in fact and logic . There are no alternatives to getting a jet in the air or a Semi down the road ..Not mention Rail .The Truth is NOT hyperbole . I think RICH G made some good points up there and if someone thinks that the U S Military" can't "operate with efficiency I would ask them what do you think every army that weve come up against would think of that ? Having said that I will also say when it's not an emergency situation the Military probably wastes a ton in resources and dough .I agree with RICH the Military are one of the best places to go for real world results when it comes to tech breakthroughs . Hell , we wouldn' have the internet if it wasn't for them or should we credit Al Gore ? NASA used to be good at this too before their mission statement was changed from exploration to outreach to the Muslim world . Im not a war monger by the way but I do support the Military and NASA . Chris M thanks for that Poll thing I'm going to look at that right now and Good Guys is right... too many indoctrinated still giving him High marks . Just wait until this building plan starts to go South and the Rahmster bails on Chicago . What will those who adore the Emperor thank about him when he is gone and sticks us with the bill . This to me shows that he doesn't plan on sticking around for long so maybe we will have a new Mayor for the next term .

  • Y_2_K I aspire to be who I am.

    The only reason I said you parroted Limbaugh was b/c that statement is utterly ridiculous, and he was using it to justify not doing anything but chugging along w fossil fuels. OBVIOUSLY, there are some situations where we're gonna have to burn fossil fuels for the foreseeable future, but I read your statement to say "well since we can't use it in these two or five examples, we shouldn't even think about using it, period." I think that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    The statement is only ridiculous to those who think we live in a land of Utopian Uncorns rainbows and Lollipos . To those who deal in the real world we need fossil fuels for the foreseeable future . Limbaugh also supports renewables he just wants to do it in a way that works . Not in a way that just sets up Front Co.s for donors ..See Fisker Solyndra etc etc .No one I know is against renewables . Most on the right even think investment would be good ...Investment in research not investment for the sake of DEM donors getting rich . I advocate research . I also advocate going after our own fossil reserves to make us less dependent on all those other country's with all those evil despots ..

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Im going to get off this pot for a while as it's going off topic and I am partly responsibl for that

  • @Bike Jedi

    <soapbox>

    While I don't normally offer advice to people on forums, I would suggest that you try to get your news and opinions from more than just right-wing sources. Solyndra was founded in 2005 and applied for federal assistance a few months later after George W Bush signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law. This law enabled the Department of Energy to offer loan guarantees for energy projects. Solyndra would have never had the opportunity to apply had it not been for a law that Bush signed, so to claim that Obama is solely at fault for Solyndra's Chapter 11 debacle is about the same as blaming Bush entirely for failing to prevent the 9/11 attacks (and most of the left would probably agree that Bush ignored clearer warnings about 9/11 than Obama did about Solyndra).

    And when we have massive oil companies making record profits, I would focus more on the billions of dollars in subsidies our government is paying them despite their incredible profitability. If these companies can't be profitable without government assistance, then they should be allowed to go out of business. How is it fair to the middle class when these gigantic corporations get billions when they are already profitable, and the rest of us get more taxes in the form of higher gas prices? This is why so many people want to get us off our oil addiction and toward more modern, sustainable energy sources.

    Anyway, this thread has clearly deviated from its original intent. If I were an Everyblock mod I would probably lock it. I would also suggest that those who get impassioned toward their particular ideology step back a second and think about whether you're arguing with a clear head or arguing through your emotional gut feelings. This country was founded with the motto "E Pluribus Unum" -- "Out of many, one". It means we need to focus less on winning an argument, and more on finding the actual truth of the matter, sans bias.

    </soapbox>

  • alex trebeck Ukrainian Village since 1990

    RUSS: you sound fair and balanced....watch out for a lawsuit from fox news.

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    I'm dismayed but lurking - will advise when I become mayed

  • Inactive user

    I'm dis-mayed too. I don't believe their crazy prediction about the world ending in 2012 so I dis them mayans all the time..

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    With Dick Clark gone we may have to cancel new years - perhaps a Mayan conspiracy?

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    @ Russ - that's like saying the contractor that built the bank is responsible for all the loans that default

    @Y-2-K we own the term parrot - you owe us $10. and the problem with battery powered 747's is they don't have extension cords long enough to charge mid flight.

    @Bike Jedi - glad to see you're getting off pot

    @ James - My Rocket get 35 MPG - I drive it more miles because it 's fun

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    @moderator - they're stealing your car - just checking to see if you're awake

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  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    We're good mom - when are you guys coming home?

  • Joe Lake, Chicagoland Joe Lake, Chicagoland

    308 comments. The end is near?

  • Inactive user

    IBTL

  • Joe Lake, Chicagoland Joe Lake, Chicagoland

    IBTL - Exactly.

  • I always have a hard time wrapping my brain around acronyms.

  • Inactive user

    It's 2012. You don't need a brain any longer. With Google Search any knowledge is simply punching in a search term and 3 seconds away after pressing GO.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Russ.. I was going to stay off this but you drag me back in . So Russ ..I dont usually offer advice to people on forums because I don't like coming off as Superior or Pompous . You make a lot of assumptions up there , for instance that I ony get my info from the right ..ehhh wrong . Bush didn't borrow our money to a business fronted by Dem bundlers and donors . He didn't invite private investment to those companies either . The Private money was from Dem 1%er hedge fund operators who also happened to have insider info ( that should be investigated , and how about those evil 1 %er bankers ..evil Capitalist huh ? ) . The Dems passed a Law that was supposed to protect OUR Tax Payer Money in the event one of the Companies the Dept of Energy invested in went belly up . This was a good Law that the Dems passed ... kudo's to them ..Then they screwed us and bi passed their own law for Dem Elites They then allowed their Hedge fund bundler !% er banker buddies to bail and still get paid while sticking us with the Solybdra bill . What good is passing a law if it only applies to people who aren't Party elites . I guess if you are a fat cat 1 % er and Dem these laws they pass don't matter . You then go on to state that this thread went off topic and you just got here .You insinuate that those who get impassioned toward their particular ideology should take a step back and see if their arguing with a clear head . . By doing so you imply that you are not arguing with your own biased ideology which is comical looking at the content of your post and that you are doing so with a clear head . You imply that others might not be thinking with a clear head which is condesending and insulting . I don't insult others and I don't suppose I am superior . Continued

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Continued .. I disagree with a lot of people on these forums but I don't disrespect their intelligence or opinions . In fact Ive complemented some of the people I disagree with for their intelligence and the fact we are able to have discourse even though we may disagree .You should try some tolerance and not pre judge people . You finish your post talking about that we need to focus less on winning an argument and focus on the truth . all this while omitting large parts of the truth and assuming that I wanted to win a debate .I voluntarily took myself off because I realized I was part of the reason this had gone off topic ..Ettu ?

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Mitch and James ..You guys made me laugh with the Mayan thing

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Also somoeone clue me in on IBTL what is it ? Seriously I Don't know ..If it's a secret I'll understand .

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    James ..Thanks ...and OMG is that a funny acronym ..I feel enlightened ..Also thanks for being a reasonable person ..We may disagree on a lot we may agree on some too , but you are a smart and informed person with your own views

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    So lets get this back on topic . I heard that these cameras are going up in NOV ...anybody know anything different ??

  • gerigirl I live and breathe this city!

    I heard that also......and that they were going to put the first ones in Rhams neighborhood and further north and east...........if I remember correctly!

  • TY James ROFL

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    They should only be allowed in Rahms ward and in the wards where alserman voted for them . Wow that would be fun . Just think of all those suddenly angry constituents

  • Inactive user

    I was thinking of registering the website Drive20everywhereChicago.com and selling bumper-stickers and T-shirts. It could be a new internet sensation. I'd love to see the traffic brought down to 20MPH. Sure it would all come to screeching halt -all the better.

    Driving in Chicago should be much more excruciating than it even is now. Then people would stop doing it and find alternatives.

  • gerigirl I live and breathe this city!

    Rahm.....will brag.........."See everyone in my hood loves the speed cameras."...whats the big deal??

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    TDMATBICPLY

  • Inactive user

    AYHSMB!

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    YAOTM

  • Mitch Rezman We own Windy City Parrot Western

    BTW - my hobby is getting booted from LinkedIn groups 3 to date (how dare I question stupid?) - Looking for new mountains to climb

  • Inactive user

    U MAD?

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