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Added Feb 04 2013

I started working on a nomination suggestion for the Chicago Landmarks committee to make the Kirchbaum Building (Bruno's Lounge) at 6560 N. Sheridan Rd. a Chicago Landmark. The building is just too beautiful to be demolished by Loyola and it's the last original building on the block. The building is already listed on the Chicago Historic Resources Survey as architecturally important. Loosing the terra cotta mural at the top depicting Fort Dearborn and many other Chicago buildings would be a loss to Chicago history and the neighborhood. Does anyone think making this building a Chicago Landmark is possible and does anyone in the neighborhood even support it?

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Prove up, bro.

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    Walk u lazy behind over and ask him, bro.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    I asked you to prove up = you do the work, you made the statement, bro.

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    Why u think anybody answers to u, bro?

  • Bruno has political connections of his own. If I'm correct one relative was an alderman.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Yes, it was Fred Roti and he passed away in 1999. He had an interesting history, from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Roti

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    He still no fan a Moore. Seen him smile to Moores face then get everybody to laughin after he left.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Ranman, did it ever occur to you that perhaps Bruno enjoys running the tavern and liquor store and simply doesn't want to sell it? He sat behind me at the meeting on the proposal for a hotel at Albion & Sheridan, seemingly just to find out more about what his new neighbor may be.

  • Ranman RP denizen since 1973

    "...did it ever occur to you..."
    Thanks for the condescending reply, Helen.
    Of course that, as well as numerous other possibilities occurred to me. I merely posited two. I deeply apologize for not delineating every single solitary conceivable scenario in my comment above.
    Sheesh.

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    Old mamma don't know much a anything.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    And you know everything Pervyculo, lol. You are clearly arrogant and disrespectful troll.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    The rude and intentional arrogance is a masquerade attempt at covering up an enormous inferiority complex. The biggest bullies and the biggest mouths on the playground tend to be those with the biggest inferiority complexes and raging senses of inadequacy which, at least in our case here, is fully justified.

  • Tom Jarvis Joe, it is time to retire.

    Look in the mirror, Nicky.

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    My bro Nicky sound just like Moore.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Well good morning Sunshine. How are you today Tom? Is the sun shining on Jarvis? I take it that you like his constant complaining, whining and deception? He will be much happier after he moves to DesPlaines. Will you host a bon voyage party? Please invite me if you do.

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    Nicky you losin it, bro. But you still sound just like Moore, bro.

  • dj long time RP home owner

    Walgreen's on Broadway stopped selling liquor as it is a low profit item - draws customers in but doesn't have much profit - when the shrinkage (read retail theft) outweighed its benefits.

  • dj long time RP home owner

    As for Bruno's façade, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Me, ugh.

  • Mother Westgard

    I'm in agreement with those who value the history of buildings like Bruno's over the sterile, unimaginative designs of things like the hotel that's going in next to it. I don't believe losing everything from the community's origins is in any way best for the community. There needs to be a balance.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Hey Tommys Mommy, I hear you loud and clear. You don't like the new hotel's design and that's a perfectly valid position. I have two recommendations that might cure your discontent. The first is to put your money where your mouth is. Buy properties like that and build the pretty things that you like to look at. But if you don't have the money to do that, just move to pretty places where you would be happy. Something for which I have little tolerance is people who think they have a right to tell other people what they can or can't do with property they own. How would you feel if a bunch of neighbors protested where you live and claimed that where you live is ugly; they didn't like the way it looked and they wanted it to be made pretty according to their standards and not yours. Would you like people who had no ownership in your property telling you how they wanted it to be? Personally that would tick me off and I'd tell to get their noses and protests out of my private business. Or do you not respect private property rights and think that we should be able to act as a socialist collective? I respect your right to have your own opinion. I do not respect your attempts to control other people's private property.

  • Cody Mac mixicologist

    Bro, u really think people care about all that mad talk from U?

  • It's not that simple, 'Nicky.' The community has a vested interest in how it is developed, that's why we have zoning laws. To quote from Wikipedia, "The primary purpose of zoning is to segregate uses that are thought to be incompatible. In practice, zoning also is used to prevent new development from interfering with existing uses and/or to preserve the "character" of a community."

    A community expects its leader to consider the wishes of the community when new development is proposed. This is why some of us oppose the current ward leadership.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Carla, you raise two important issues. Unfortunately both of them are highly flawed as you interpret them. Development must be regulated according to a codified set of zoning regulations. Unfortunately for you, the Chicago Department of Planning and Development, which is responsible for zoning oversight, follows zoning regulations in the Municipal Code of Chicago and not, as you would prefer, Wikipedia. Loyola's proposal, as it now stands, completely satisfies zoning requirements and needs no request for variance. As has been pointed out, approval must be granted to make a quarter block section of Albion two-way instead of one-way but this has nothing to do with zoning issues.

    Secondly, the community does have a vested interest in development but not an unlimited degree of control based on the desires of a vocal minority. Chicago's Municipal Code on matters of planning and development has specific provisions for public hearings and public input. But the Municipal Code does not allow for public control in these matters of private development of private property. Much to your apparent distress, the Alderman is not a puppet who dances to the fiddle music of a minority voice in the community and he respects private property rights, requirements of the Municipal Code, and due process. On the other hand, you seem to dismiss orderly governance, acknowledgment of the Municipal Code, private property rights, Chicago's zoning regulations and democratic institutions. It seems that your expectations are that a loud and irate minority voice, including yours, trumps orderly government and due process. You don't represent the "wishes of the community"; you are part of a vocal minority. But more interestingly, you don't admit that you are simply part of a minority voice and, in frustration, attempt to redirect your dissatisfaction with your lack of influence to dissatisfaction with the Alderman. That's called "passing the buck" Carla. It is not being honest.

  • I was merely responding to your suggestion that if Tommy's mommy didn't like the look of a new property, she should either should move to a prettier location or else buy the property and decorate it as she preferred. I wanted to point out that the supremacy of private property is not absolute and is governed by laws. Community members DO have the right to tell someone what they can do with private property. Regardless of the specifics of this stituation, I was challening the idea that so annoys you that people do not have the right to tell other people what to do with their property. In this society, there are many, many limitations on private property.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Lots of hot air Carla. I'm still waiting for you to tell us what right, under color of enforceable law, do you have to force Loyola what to do with their own property? Apparently you like "traditional" run down shabbiness. Loyola likes clean looking, contemporary chic. Loyola heard you and probably will go with chic over shabby. Is there a problem? You exercised your right to tell them that you like shabby. They probably will exercise their right to ignore you. Doesn't it end there?

  • I don't know why you are waiting for me to tell you that. I never said there was legal recourse. The tools citizens have are in the nature of public relations, e.g., shaming them, boycotts and electing an alderman that will speak out against Loyola.

    My reason for commenting was as a reaction to your dismissive suggestion that if Tommy's mommy didn't like it, she should move. Sounds a lot like the right wing's slogan, America - Love it or Leave it. It is my opinion that a community has a right to speak out and have input into changes in the community.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    We all have the right to speak. Very rarely do we have the right to dictate. I never said that Tommy's Mommy should move, I said that Tommy's Mommy had the right to move if she wanted to. Apparently that was too subtle a distinction for you to understand. Of course communities have the right to speak and give input. I support that. That was never an issue. Apparently you feel that if your argument is dismissed it is appropriate to escalate to the level of shaming and boycotting in an attempt to coerce. If reason doesn't work then try brute force instead. That is what Occupy Rogers Park does when silly people march around in short bus costumes with silly signs and bullhorns. That is a dreadfully primitive and anti-intellectual exercise in ineffective coercion. Silly costumes don't appeal to reason. I don't think you want an Alderman who "will speak out against Loyola" as much as you want a stupid Alderman who will speak on behalf of a silly minority voice that includes yours. More and more I understand why you worship Don Gordon. Both of you think much the same way. His thinking is fuzzy and so is yours.

  • You didn't say she had the right to move, you told her to either buy the property herself or move. And calling someone an egghead is exactly what anti-intellectuals do (that's what you've called Don Gordon). Apparently you do not see that you accuse others of the same behaviors and ideas that you yourself practice and profess. And talk about hot air.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Ooooo, did someone mention hot air? DG specializes in it

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  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Carla, you need to improve your reading comprehension. Suggesting that Tommy's Mommy move was one of two recommendations I made. Go back and read my words. Suggesting that she move was not a command; it was a recommendation. Regarding Don Gordon being an egghead, that is most definitely my opinion. He strikes me as being a total egghead. All academic theory and no real world experience. I could be wrong but I do believe that he is an egghead and doesn't have his feet firmly planted on the ground or in the real world. He seems to be all political theory, ideology and no actual experience. He won't even tell us what sort of a project he led for more than twenty years. Is there something he's ashamed of? As much as he pontificates about openness and transparency, he's anything but open or transparent. He even hides behind people like his current mouthpiece Mike Luckenbach and won't hold discourse in a public forum. Is he shy, hiding something or what? Something is fishy about him.

  • As I said, you recommended she buy property and erect her own pretty buildings ("put your money where your mouth is") but if she didn't have money, she should move to where there were buildings she liked. This seems elitist and dismissive, especially in light of your statement, "Something for which I have little tolerance is people who think they have a right to tell other people what they can or can't do with property they own." Would you say that landlords (property owners) should be allowed to discriminate as to whom they rent? Are you only annoyed when you disagree with someone's complaint about private property use?

    Regarding egghead, I always found it offensive when someone was ridiculed for being intelligent. Talk about schoolyard bullying.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Being intelligent is not the same as being an egghead. Eggheads are lost in the fog of theory and ideology. They may be very intelligent but have no common sense. Many intelligent people also have common sense which isn't learned in the classroom. I was not ridiculing intelligence. Pointing out failings but not making anyone in particular feel picked on is not bullying. Using those failings as a weapon directed at someone with the intent to make them feel bad or inadequate is bullying. I don't think you understand the word Carla.

    If Tommy's Mommy can't stand to live in an environment and can't change it then she might be happier moving somewhere else. If Tommy's Mommy doesn't like the environment she is living in but can tolerate it then don't move but stop complaining about things over which she has no control. That is useless complaining. If Tommy's Mommy doesn't like the environment she is living in and enjoys complaining then she shouldn't move under any circumstances. She is living in just the right place that allows her the enjoyment of complaining. Continue to be unhappy and continue to complain. That's exactly what she wants as a dedicated martyr.

  • By your logic, it was pointless for blacks to complain about Jim Crow laws; they should either have moved or tolerated them without complaining. Staying and complaining is just being a martyr.

    You criticize people for complaining when all you do is complain.

    You can have the last word. I'm not going to address this anymore.

  • Norbert Dwizzle

    Carla when you equate opposition to a hotel that you can't even see from your house or from the end of your street but consider to be ugly to opposition to Jim Crow laws, injustice, lynching and slavery, you have no sense of relationship, proportion or context. That is some of the fuzziest thinking I've ever heard. I don't criticize you for complaining. Everyone has a right to complain. What I criticize is your fuzzy, muddled thinking.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Wow, that last one from Carla takes the cake.

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  • Pension Pat

    Is this thread over ?

    Save the Terra Cotta.

    Make Bruno Roti a " preserved national treasure ".

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    He usually " holds court " everyday around 9:00 AM.

    ------After he polishes the brass ornamentations & waters the ferns.

    .......His place is big on " decor ".

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  • Thirty years ago, the space was occupied by "Round Records"
    - any memories of that?

  • Yep, I remember Round Records and I was wondering if that was the same place.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    I also remember Round Records on Sheridan, but I'm not sure if it was in the same building Bruno's is in? There were other buildings on that side of the street including the one that was just torn down.

  • Tribune display ads show Round Record operating in that location between 1975-1988
    Round Records 6560 N Sheridan (338-5762) Two floors of new and used imports, out-of-print, collectibles, new and olds 45s; also buys used records and rents video cassettes.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    Thanks Kyros C.

  • It looks like Bruno’s Lounge has been in the location since about 1985.
    The earliest tenants of the building were the “Venetian Dress Shop” and the “Cheek Beauty Salon”.

  • Reid Hyams X-Art Entertainment • Century 21 Universal

    So My Pie Pizza must have been just north of 6560, it was on the same side of Sheridan... was it in the building they just knocked down?

  • FGFM What the Cappleman!

    I used to buy LPs at Round Records all the time. I bought my last decent pressing of a major label release (Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!/Warner Bros.) on heavy vinyl there..

  • Bruno's has been there for at least the last 55 years, that is 1960 for you math majors.

  • @Reid:

    My Pi Pizzeria was located at 6568 N. Sheridan
    – in the space that later became Carmen's Pizza.

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