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Added Apr 13 2012

The following is a summary of the latest changes to the Childrens' Safety Zone Ordinance:

Speed Limits & Hours:
School Zones: Mon – Fri on school days; 7 am – 4 pm; 20 mph when children are
present; 30 mph when not present.
Park Zones: 7 Days a week, 6 am – 11 pm; 30 mph speed limit

Warnings/Fines:
30-day warning period when automated enforcement is first established inn a new
safety zone location.
One additional warning for each vehicle for the first time the driver is owner to receive
a ticket.
Fines for 6-10 mph over the posted speed limit set to $35; fines for 11 mph over posted speed limit set to $100.

Public Awareness:
90 day public service announcement campaign.
Text messaging alerts for those interested in camera locations.
Website with weekly update on camera locations and posted speed limits.
Quarterly report on speeding and accident data, number of tickets issued and fine
amounts.

Advisory Committee:
Members to include Chairman and Vice-Chairman of Pedestrian and Traffic Safety
Committee and religious, academic, public safety and medical community leaders.
Provides counsel to CDOT on implementation and operation of speed enforcement
program and Children Safety Zones.
Will advise on location of Children Safety Zones and automated speed enforcement.

Limit On Camera Enforcement:
Establishes no more than 20% of approximately 1,500 eligible safety zones can be equipped with automated speed enforcement.

Regional Distribution of Cameras:
CDOT will establish six geographical regions.
No fewer than 10% of speed cameras will be located in each region.

Aldermanic Notification:
Alderman will be notified by CDOT prior to any installation of speed enforcement
cameras in their wards.

  • Joe Lake, Chicagoland Joe Lake, Chicagoland

    I think there is troll in this thread.

  • Albert F. Opitz Back in the 38th Ward

    I guess with a real thin skin, no backbone!!

  • JayCee resident

    This is outrageous! I never even got to see the removed comments... Hmmm, anonymous no thanks and "trusted community members".

    How nice of these folks at EveryBlock to banish those pesty opinions so I don't have to be bothered by them (very heavy sarcasm intended).

    Was someone behaving like an anarchist or did the subject of Child Safety prompt a sexist/racist rant?

  • Conor McGrath Portage Park

    @JayCee: Joe Lake's comment above seems to indicate at least some of the posts were removed for going off-topic. We all agreed to the EB terms of service when we signed up for our accounts. I'm pretty sure there's language in there about staying on topic. I doubt anyone is trying to censor the discussion. Rather, they are trying to moderate it so it doesn't degenerate into a mess. Honestly, I think this thread should have been shut down ages ago as it drifted from the speed camera topic into political nonsense over the last month. I'm probably going to hide this thread in my views after this post because it's no longer relevant.

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    this one and speed cameras on Foster.They need to end the threads.

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    Threads here are like a fungus. There's no getting rid of them and they never go away. It's MSNBC content forever.

  • I think the censors on EB are hyper-active and not impartial. They delete posts that are non-offensive and that relate to many previous posts (like mine, which was deleted). We're all adults here and we can choose whether or not to respond to off-topic comments, or to gently point them out as such. Very heavy-handed tactics EB, which discourage my participation. "Free Speech" is messy sometimes.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Jaycee ..the comments weren't really off topic .They just became comments on why the cameras are necessary ( budget deficits ) , Whats causing the budget deficits ( Union Pensions ) , and what should be done about the problem . There were comments about the nature of what is going on and why Rahm will continue to look for new revenue streams . and some " trusted community member "( I like Joe's term TROLL) decided he didn't like them personally and he censored the comments he didn't like . In fact I would say they weren't really off topic , rather they were dwelving to the deeper underlying reason we as Chicagoans will face a steady stream of new revenuing schemes from out rulers . The Trusted Community member must work for Rahm and Did a TROLL like thing . He deleted comments that no one complained about and were up on this thread for a week . Carl posted something interesting that I wanted to respond to and the post was deleed . That was cheap . Connor pointed out we all know the rules . to that I say it was a good discussion that was driving home why Rahm is doing this ..Just because trusted community member didn't like what was being discussed it all got deleed . I agree with Alberts assesment of that individual as I'm sure all who were engaged in the discussion feel the same way . No one got personal that I saw and it was great to see the different views . I guess eb and trusted community troll , er member , only wants what he sees fit . I hope you see this before he deletes this as just like in Russia we are only supposed to have one opinion and no one can slam big brother or they delete you . One other thing Ronnie hit it out of the park with that last comment

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Connor I respect your opinion that you think that things had gotten off topic . So in that event why not just unfollow the post or just point out to everyone that it's getting off topic ? You state that the thread had drifted from the Speed Cameras to Political nonsense .. What do you think the Speed cameras are if not Political nonsense . That seemed the consensus of 90% of the posters that it wasn't EVER about safety , but rather about revenue . The fact that several posters had taken the next step to logically look at the underlying reasons may have bored you , angered you ,or maybe you though it off topic . If that was the case just ignore it or express the opinion you just did . The opinion that ...a Discussion of speed cameras had turned into a poitical discussion . To that I would say ...what did you expect??? ..It is a political issue and there should have been no reason that the adults who still wanted to discuss it in that vien should be censored ...
    I really would have liked to keep the discussion going and I respect all those who didn't ...If you didn't like where it was going get off it and go on one of the farmers market or lost cat ones . I thought it was still a viable discussion over the weekend and all of a sudden half of it is gone . What I dont understand is if someone personally thinks a thread has run its course say so and leave the thread . Connor hadn't seen you on the thread in awhile and now you come back and say it had run it's course ..so maybe that is why you weren't on it and that's cool ..Others were having a great discussion until someone with the similar thoughts to yours shut the thing down through censorship .. Now I have a question maybe I should research ..who funds eb ?

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    I just looked under about eb and clicked on funding ...This explains everything.... EB is owned by MSNBC ...no bias there right ? This I did not know .... Maybe this explains why when a discussion turn negative towards Rahm things get taken care of ...

  • JayCee resident

    Thanks for filling me in!

    As far as removing comments that are off topic goes, and based on your summaries about the content of what was removed, I still disagree. EVERY post on here often goes a little off topic - sometimes that is the interesting part!

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    JayCee ....exactly

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    I disagree as well. It's getting to the point where one cannot express an opinion. I am going to unsubscribe, but first Kenji you mentioned a couple other websites that have neighborhood news? Hurry and respond before this post is removed. I feel like people must have felt in 1938 Germany.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Dennis I tried to thank your last comment that was deleted ..I too am looking for another type of forum

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    Bike Jedi...yes getting pretty sad around here.

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    A real good way to eliminate criticism is to delete the critical post. There is something very wrong with that picture.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    I say we just stay and keep posting at least those currently logged on at that time will see the posts

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    I'm not seeing my post about the Missouri judge who called red light cameras unconstitutional.

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    Dennis,back last century during the height of the eurocommunism friends and my self had letters censored by the military on our correspondence home. That was done by our government in the late 70's and is still probably going on,but it has to be alot more difficult because of chat rooms and facebook.

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    Gene, I know. But EB is not related to national security. Last I checked anyway.

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    Here's the link,something about due process being violated http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3802.asp,let's try again,this makes the third time I've tried to post this!

  • Joe Lake, Chicagoland Joe Lake, Chicagoland

    I notice that my comment "Off subject" remains, while a hundred or so other comments were removed. I was not my intention to have those comments removed, but to suggest that future comments be related to the original post.

  • Joe Lake, Chicagoland Joe Lake, Chicagoland

    I think in another thread, I commenting "Off subject" and my comment was removed and the reason given was "Off Subject." I don't see where my comment would be a violation EveryBlock rules.

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    @dennis, There's a popular place for chicago based talk that isn't sanitized. It's reddit.com. There's chicago based subreddits you might enjoy. r/chicago is the main chicago subreddit:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/chicago
    http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagofood/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/CityPorn
    http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobeer/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/chibike
    http://www.reddit.com/r/ArtSceneChicago
    http://www.reddit.com/r/chicagocirclejerk

  • eric Resident

    Cameras will record children being mowed down by speeders--and then fine them. I feel safer already.

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    Where are children being mowed down by speeders? Where? I know children are being shot and killed and the perps probably speed away if it is a drive by,but how come we never see any evidence of where children are being mowed down by speeders.And saying it could happen is BS. Anything can happen at anytime.No matter what safety protections are in place.

  • Inactive user

    Off subject is very subjective, and very few threads could be defended as purely on subject. If I recommend a certain pizzeria, is someone suggesting another one off topic because the topic is not about pizzerias in general? What if someone mentions that while you visit the pizzeria, you might want to cross the street and visit the ice cream parlor there?

    The same is true with current events. If someone complains about the tolls being increased on the tollway, is it off topic to complain about the condition of the tollroads or why they are not free and paid out of taxes? It seems that very controlling people want to dictate what others can and cannot say.

    There is a poster from way outside the neighborhood who constantly complains about the harmless quips that are sometimes posted. But often those are the most thanked, so obviously there are many who enjoy them. The humorless should not dictate the tone of others' messages. If people want to impose their own rules, start you own stricitly on-subject, humorless site.

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    Take it or leave it, Jake, is how I see it. This place is what it is and as it grows they'll make some users of the forum happy and they'll make others very unhappy.

    At some point it's going to have to make a company profit.

    They won't be beholden to us the people creating the free content for them to make a profit from.

  • eric Resident

    Gene, it isn't happening--I employed sarcasm. Clever tool at that . . .

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    @eric,I got the sarcasm,use it alot myself,sorry.
    @kenji,do you think we should charge MSNBC for our comments?

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    I only see a whole string of comments removed. I wonder if this one will be, too.

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    If they use it,I want my royalty share!

  • Jason 18 year Jeff Park resident

    Slow all your asses down on the sidestreets and I could care less about the rest. Just slow down on the side streets!

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Jay when these cameras go up where do you think people are going to retreat to ?

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    "retreat" means what?

  • Bill the Engineer /ChicagoNWside/

    To the side streets......

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Yes eople will retreat to the side streets to avoid the gridlock that these cameras will be causing on the main streets . This will have the effect of making Chicago's side streets less safe hence the speed cameras will decrease the very thing they used to sell it to the sheeple . It will decrease safety .

  • will the new $40,000,00.00 bike lanes further narrow the streets and gridlock traffic further? It could be very dangerous if vehicles cannot pull to the right to allow emergency vehicles to pass.

  • Albert F. Opitz Back in the 38th Ward

    Yep!! Or else all the side streets will have speed bumps. Therefore, traffic will be almost a total grid lock, that is, you are petter off staying home!!

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    jp in jp ..I don't know if you saw my rant on that ...and let me qualify this by stating I am an avid Bicyclist as well as a daily driver . The protected bike lanes are exactly what you said . All one needs to do is go down Kinzie on any given morning and you will see traffic at a standstill in both directions with NO place to pull over . I've taken pictures, contacted CDOT, IDOT, Rahm etc . These people dont care at all about Public Safety . They gave Gabe Klien some STIMULUS money and he had to do something to justify his existence .Those Bike lanes are the result . iI's great PR for the Mayor and the Press eats it up like lemmings . There is a push for more lanes like this . I think it is just Rahm trying to make himself look good to the pedal power green agenda people . It is misguided . Urban Bike commuters know how to ride in traffic . Where these lanes aren't a Safety hazard they are still confusing and cause line of site problems ( go up Elston north of Division for an example ) . They also will cause more traffic congestion and road rage as people in their cars sit in even more gridlock then isn't necessary . Elston is a perfect street that is wide and had a marked lane already that worked fine for cars and bikes alike . It is now a mess for both . The more money you throw at these people the more they will waste it . If they want to fund Bicycling improvements they should widen the Lakefront path and repave it . Then do the same for the N Branch trail...

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    I always wondered why king richie II made Elston,which was an alternate route from the Kennedy both inbound and outbound ,giving up one lane in each direction. All that did was lengthen the commute time for everyone. And it was dangerous for the first couple of years for cyclists.I had to stop by the Shakespeare Police Department one day on another matter and some cop was complaining about hitting someone in the bike lane. If you can't get the police to follow the rules,,how the hell do you expect anyone else to?

  • Albert F. Opitz Back in the 38th Ward

    The greatest problem with cyclists is they DON'T follow the rules of the road. They are to stop at stop signs. If they go thru and get hit, tough luck and car drivers have to live with it.

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    You know, Albert, I agree with you. I love to bike, but I get so annoyed at those cyclists who weave in and out, run through stop signs and stop lights, and then blame the car drivers for being dangerous. Granted, some are. I am not. I watch for cyclists constantly, just wish those of them who violate the rules (and I'm sorry to say, most do) would cooperate.

  • and there are not that many cyclists to justify the impact on the majority of people that use these streets to get to work, go to school, etc. One of the things that makes Chicago one of the worst cities is its commute times. The city will be stuck with another huge mess for many years to come like the parking meters. The guiding principle should be "MOVE TRAFFIC" All that money could be spent on police or something more useful. Or really getting the bicycles they're own " highway " off the street grid somehow. I don't believe the Chicago Police Department or Fire Department, or the general public really know what is about to be shoved at them.

  • kenji Find us here --> http://reddit.com/r/greatNWside

    There'd be more cyclists if there were more bike lanes in the 38th and 45th ward, which would mean less cars, and you could personally get to your destinations here in the hood quicker if there were less cars.

    My theory.

  • Bike Jedi Bike Jedi . I live to bike . Born in the Square.

    Tose are some of the easiest ward to get around ...But if that would make you feel better ..I'm cool with that ..Bike lanes not all these stupid cones and cars parked 10 feet off the curb

  • Albert F. Opitz Back in the 38th Ward

    In Europe, they use the parkway for bike lanes. I don't know if it's a good idea, but I think that moving the cars out 3 +/- feet would be safer. However, bicyclists, remember, pedrestrians have the right of way, just like on the streets with cars!!

  • Gene 50 year resident of Jeff Park

    When I do use my bike,I never use arterial streets unless necessary.Side streets are quiet,faster and safer.

  • Dennis 30 year Jefferson Park resident

    I'm with you, Gene when I can. I do use Elston for a bit. Drivers can be nuts though. Like the autobon at times.

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