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Added Mar 16 2017

Chicago Math and Science Academy, 7212 N. Clark St., submitted a request to add 25 students to its 9-12 grades each year over the next four years, starting this fall.

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https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170316/rogers-park/chicago-math-and-science-academey-expansion-request-charter-school-high-cps-board-of-education
Date published
March 16, 2017
    Rogers Park Charter Seeks To Add 100 High Schoolers Over Next Four Years
    ROGERS PARK - A charter school in Rogers Park wants to add 100 high school students over the next four years, according to Chicago Public Schools. Chicago Math and Science Academy, 7212 N. Clark St., submitted a request to add 25 students to its 9-12 grades each year over the next four years, starting this fall.
    https://www.dnainfo.com
  • Wazzup not available

    why only 100 - the Children of Rogers Park are in need of better education than offered by CPS -dedicated teachers available at Charter schools can resolve this problem. Please consider expanding. Our students deserve better.

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  • Bruce_ Comment by Live From Rogers Park, whom you've mute

    Senn is clearly the best option .

  • d3 NOH

    Yet they can't even find teachers and principals who are American citizens for these jobs already.... When other schools have no such issues. Maybe they should take a breath and stop expanding.

  • Gabriel Resident of PRRP

    Instead of a school associated with a right wing Turkish cult leader, investing in public schools,in the long run, is the better option.

  • Rogers Park has two charter schools: Uno and CMSA. Why is it that no one in neighborhood social media ever attacks UNO, which has a well-documented history of corrupt administration, whereas CMSA gets attacked as a "cult"? The answer: because the Turkish government is currently funding a social media campaign against Gulen, whom President Erdogan falsely blames for last year's coup attempt. As all reputable news sources have reported, there is no evidence that Gulen had anything to do with the coup.

    Erdogan's government paid Michael Flynn, Trump's disgraced former National Security Advisor, to help conduct this campaign against Gulen. On Election Day, Flynn published an op-ed article in The Hill, falsely calling Mr. Gulen “a shady Islamic mullah” and “radical Islamist” (Gulen and Erdogan used to be allies, but in fact it was Gulen who broke with Erdogan when he perceived that Erdogan was undermining Turkish democracy by pushing for authoritarian Islamist government). “To professionals in the intelligence community, the stamp of terror is all over Mullah Gulen’s statements,” Flynn wrote in his Turkey-financed op-ed. “Gulen’s vast global network has all the right markings to fit the description of a dangerous sleeper terror network. From Turkey’s point of view, Washington is harboring Turkey’s Osama bin Laden.”

    The charges were not only ridiculously false, but deeply disturbing coming from a man who had just been appointed to the most important national security position in the U.S. (and had failed to disclose to Congress that he was being paid not only by Turkey but also by Russia to conduct propaganda in favor of the two authoritarian governments.)
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/politics/michael-flynn-turkey.html

  • Pedro Garciano RP is not a liberal utopia. Sorry.

    There are serious accusations that CMSA abuses the h1b visa program to avoid hiring American teachers. Google it, Omar.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Gabriel, you've made it perfectly clear that you don't support charters, but I don't think you really believe what you wrote above. Posting nonsense destroys whatever credibility you have.

  • d3 NOH

    I'll save you the work in Google as it's not super easy anyhow... Here is this schools h1b visa roster: http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Concept+Schools+Nfp&job=&city=&year=All+Years

  • Omar, the different kinds of crooks involved with both UNO and CMSA have been discussed here, just not always at the same time.

  • not true, Neil. Many posters have criticized charter schools in general on this site (me among them), but over the past few years on the Rogers Park EB site, only CMSA has had negative (and often wildly unfounded) things said about it, never UNO. No one ever says anything about the UNO school here in Rogers Park.

  • CMSA's academic performance is superb. Parental demand for student admissions is strong. Lots of negative gossip has been directed toward CMSA but there have been no arrests, no indictments, no convictions since it's doors were opened. CMSA is a high performing Chicago Public School and an asset to Rogers Park's educational system. Quality education, free tuition and public schools improve neighborhoods and people's lives. If a school like CMSA results in quality education and high performing students it doesn't matter what the ethnic background or cultural heritage of the teachers or administrators is. This is about students, education and life improvement. It's not about ethnic or political or cultural prejudices. Please stop the bigoted and slanderous comments about crooks and cults and citizenship. Focus on the children and their education.

  • d3 NOH

    All of those things probably true and great. But when a company--or in this case a taxpayer funded school--chooses to import labor because they cannot find teachers in the US to staff their school, that deserves attention. Franky it's one of the worst violations of the spirit of the h1b laws I've ever heard of. It's amazing the local media could ignore it let alone have any citizen telling us we should. It's outrageous even.

  • Pedro Garciano RP is not a liberal utopia. Sorry.

    Hey, if CMSA didn't make shady, secret, deals with politicians and also hire American teachers and not so many Turkish teachers and also pay males and females the same rate, I bet nobody would have anything bad to say about it. But that's not the case.

  • It's no surprise that some schools might be looking to hire from abroad, given the wave of attacks on teachers in this country. Many teachers are leaving the profession entirely or moving out of places like Chicago, due to low pay, low morale, onerous paperwork and bureacratic/testing madness.

    So what if CSMA applies to hire 10 folks from outside the country? Who knows how many of those applications will even be approved. By law, only 65,000 hb1 visas are given out each year for the entire country, and now under the Trump administration the number is likely to be lower. The vast majority of CSMA's teachers are still U.S. nationals. Hb1 visas are very hard to come by, and the requesting company or organization has to prove that they were unable to find citizens to do the same job. Every Hb1 application requires filling out the stringent Labor Condition Application form, which is designed to ensure that jobs don't go to foreigners that could be taken by U.S. citizens.

  • d3 NOH

    H1bs aren't hard to come by. The number was actually 85k as there are another 20k allowed under the advanced degree exemption. Roughly 1/3rd of petitions on 2016 made it through by winning the lottery. (there were 233k petitions total). They pick the 20k advanced degree and then the other 65k after. The real important thing to know is these numbers do not include existing h1b workers who have been previously counted under a other year's cap.

    There is nothing stringent about the process or for considering who is needed.

  • Live From Rogers Park --
    Where is the evidence that CMSA "results in quality education and high performing students" instead of simply taking the high performing students out of CPS?
    Does CMSA really "Focus on the children and their education" by paying staff so little that they have to import them?

    Omar --
    "So what if CSMA applies to hire 10 folks from outside the country?"
    So what if they are driving down wages by importing cheap labor? Aside from it being a (routine, unfortunately) fraudulent use of H1B. Do you want our country's future in the hands of some of its lowest paid workers?

  • Gabriel Resident of PRRP

    Yes, and it would be interesting to investigate and find out if there is a money making scheme here to hire Turkish teachers at lower cost in exchange for US residency and maybe an ongoing "fee" per head. It wouldn't be the first time and immigrant workers are often expoliited in many different ways. Some who work at nail salons are forced to live on the premises and work many hours. But no serious investigation is likely to happen because there is a lot of money that gets floated to politicians.

  • CMAS received a Level 1+ rating, which is the highest rating attainable by Chicago Public Schools. This rating is based on the CPS School Quality Rating Policy (SQRP). Ninetytwo percent of the students come from low income households and 95% are classed as racial minority. Discussions of politics, salaries, immigration status, gender equivalency or any other factors do not change the fact that CMAS provides quality education and produces high performing students. Nor does it change the fact that more parents want their children to attend CMAS than there are desks available. Parental demand and the available student population exceeds current school capacity. http://schoolinfo.cps.edu/schoolprofile/SchoolDetails.aspx?SchoolId=400035

  • Pedro Garciano RP is not a liberal utopia. Sorry.

    But, Live, you're pretty much saying that
    It doesn't matter that there's corruption
    It doesn't matter that there's gender inequality
    It doesn't matter that they don't want to hire American Teachers
    Because the result is positive?
    So the means justify the end?
    What is this???

  • Pedro Garciano RP is not a liberal utopia. Sorry.

    Or the end justify the means?
    BTW, your comment has so much passion, like an advertisement.

  • Gabriel Resident of PRRP

    Part !

    If one drains the public schools of students making the most progress, scores will reflect this. CMAS might be benefitting--piggy backing off the reputation of the highly ranked Math and Science Academy down state--but this does not change the fact that there are very serious charges that have been leveled at this chain of charters.

    Parents of upper class kids would have already pulled them out. Working class parents often do not know much about the controversy and only react to its reputation, including its association with the prestigious downstate program, like the proprietary schools that use Oxford, Cambridge or Harvard in their names.

    Parents also clamored for UNO schools with their bright shiny buildings. Kind of like the stores on Clark Street that use gold and silver trimming to get folks to buy discount furniture.

    But the point is not is not that CMAS does not offer solid education. But that the dismantling of public education is the end game. Compare it to the cable TV industry with its initial promise to offer quality programing with no commercials. It was only a matter of time before commercials returned and a lot of junk was offered with some good programs but at a rising cost that made it prohibitive.

    Stretching the analogy further, working class people would be more likely to be lost in the maze of offerings and end up over time in the educational junk pile while public alternatives continue to deteriorate because of disinvestment.

  • Gabriel Resident of PRRP

    Part 2

    But the analogy ends there. Public education is a social good with multiple purposes including the training of the next generation in a common understanding of the value and practice of democracy, good citizenship, and civic participation. Charter schools overall compromise this in various ways.

    The conundrum remains: some charters offer "better education" while in the main charters are of equal or poorer quality with some options like those associated with de Vos accumulating miserable track records. Parents choose what they think is best given the information they have. Those who think policy must develop a wider angle of understanding and a clearer, more comprehensive sense of purpose otherwise all social goods will be pulled apart by those who are merely interested in creating profit streams.

    .

  • d3 NOH

    Live again all of that is great but it also doesn't change the fact that there are quite likely qualified teachers that could work at CMSA but for one reason or another they've chosen to skirt the law and do a 'catch me if you can' moral argument... It started with this program in technology fields and the question becomes when does it stop? If you feel that the results are what matters and nothing else, why have immigration laws at all, just let anyone who wants come work in the US at whatever the market will bear.

  • Wazzup not available

    What fascinates me is the "dialect" many of our students speak - then they wonder why employers won't hire them into the workplace. We need to encourage "correct" English so they have a chance at jobs. This is why some students elect to go to private or charter schools -

  • Wazzup not available

    @Gabriel - the current product of public schools is why parents sacrifice to pay for private or charter schools - they want to offer their child an better opportunity to graduate with the knowledge and language skills needed to land at least a middle income job and begin a career - good parents want more for their children then they experienced. As a person who interviewed and hired many individuals I was amazed at the lack of communication skills of public school children - often i couldn't understand their English. The good news is they helped me to scale down the candidates.

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