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Added Jul 06 2017

There seem to be a lot of dog owners allowing their dogs off leash in public places like the beach. Just yesterday I could count 4 different owners letting their dogs run amok on the sand during my morning walk. One of them even did it's business and the owner didn't clean up. This is illegal, right?

  • Did you call the Police? Did you confront the person who didn't clean up after their pet? Did any one these pets bother you? Attack you?

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Dogs that are able to be off-leash are the best behaved dogs. Nothing happens.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    Funny how the people that insist on absolute enforcement of nuisance ordinances are willing to overlook and even support felonious conduct.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    Funny that seem people insist on upholding the law for everyone but themselves! The great thing about we humans, our ability to rationalize our behavior even when we know we are breaking the rules!

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  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    Pedro, I'd like to meet your dog. Mine has to be leashed.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    @Mad About RP - You wrote: "defending sexual assault or illegal immigration and identity theft"

    Really? Who as it that was defending the things you claim? Please tell us!!!

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  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    @ Mad About RP - I am Not sure if you are generally ranting or your comments are directed to me.

    In either event, you again make assumptions without the benefit of fact.

    There are words for that but I will be nice and just say your comments are disingenuous.

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  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Mad, Yeah, my dog does very well off-leash. It doesn't run away or cross the street or chases squirrels or anything like that. It was trained properly by yours truly.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    I'm glad Michael Archangel likes to respect every law.
    Cool.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    Got my dog at 5 yrs, already very stubborn. You get yours as a puppy? How did you learn to train?

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  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    @Mad About RP - To imply otherwise, as you have, is a personal and libelous attack.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    I think that training a dog properly is quite a skill. Believe me, I tried. Taking to classes and all that. She learned to "sit" after many weeks of drilling. She is a good dog, but can't be trusted off leash.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    @Pedro Garciano - Yes, I do respect the law. Even those I do not like.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    Pedro, what I am interested to know is if you had dogs growing up and learned from family, I do think that is a skill passed in through generations, or you learned through some other source. Although my dog is generally well behaved, she won't respond to commands. I have given up as she is now 13, I am considering another dog.

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  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    So Pedro,

    Hope I didn't offend you. There are some folks that have a "natural" ability with animals. I, sadly, am not one of those. And you may be. Any tips would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Mad

  • People who let their dogs off leash on the beach and regularly don't clean up after their dogs think the rules don't apply to them. They feel it's beneath them to clean up after their dogs and don't care if someone steps in it--as long as it's not them. Tell them they're not supposed to do something and they'll say "No one else has complained." (Not true Mr. I let my dogs in the water and take photos of them with my kid.) I almost feel sorry for their dogs. Their human is a jerk and a narcissist.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    I walk my dog.. leashed, on the beach every morning and I have never seen an owner not clean up after their dog. Leashed or unleashed. Rogers Park dog owners are some of the best around.

  • Many Rogers Park dog owners are wonderful, yes. But the fact remains that the sidewalks are often gross (I'm guessing people clean up if there's another person present but will leave it no one sees them.)

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    I see some if that as well, but not on the beach. Not saying you are wrong, but speaking for myself, I always clean up even at 2am, so do you ever see any other crimes in Rogers Park?

  • I haven't seen other crimes committed, personally, but obviously that doesn't mean they don't occur. I don't like any of it. I appreciate that you always clean up after your dog.If all our neighbors did likewise it would be more pleasant for all.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    Awesome, personally, I see drug dealing, prostitution and Illegal aliens on a daily basis in RP. To be completely honest, dog poo on the sidewalk is the least of RP's problems.

    Thanks,

    Mad

  • Amazing, how a thread about people not managing their dogs at the beach turned into various rants about other issues...nothing like a few diversionary tactics....

  • Rob

    MARP - you should go work for ICE since you can tell who isn't a citizen just by looking at them.

  • Mad About RP Proved right... again

    Just looking for dog training tips. Pedro is indeed an expert. Just looking to enrich my life through the EB neighborhood.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Mad, my girlfriend got that pooch as a puppy a couple of months before we met.
    I started working with the doggie when it was about five months old.
    Our dog knows how to walk off-leash around RoPa and everything is OK.

  • Thank you.

  • Dogs should be on leashes for many reasons. Some people are afraid of dogs. Other dogs could attack your dog, and if both are not on leashes it can be hard to separate them. The dog could be scared and run into traffic and be hit or cause an accident. Maybe even cause someone's death. They should be on leashes or in dog parks.

    It's the law.

  • Wazzup not available

    I am pleased to report that in Edgewater on Sheridan Rd everyone picks up after their dog - dumpsters abound at park entrances and in alleys so disposal is not a problem. Perhaps RP needs more trash bins - although i suspect their alley bins are as available as in Edgewater. The abundance of trash receptacles is what makes is "a breeze" to pick up - and those canisters with poop bags makes it easy to have one on hand. I have 2 poop holders - I consider one a back up in case the primary goes out unexpectedly. I have never seen dog poop on Sheridan Rd so something is working right - perhaps it is the good neighborly attitude of residents. :-) We are always waving and greeting and picking up. Edgewater the place to live, work and play! Good job neighbors!

  • Most of the dog owners on the beach are responsible and clean up after their dogs, but there are a couple of regular exceptions. It is very frustrating to the rest of us.

  • Sandy/Wolflady long time resident rogers park

    When I walk my dog early at park (on leash) always have poop bags attached to leash.
    What about dirty diapers all around, some a foot from trash cans.
    Dog owners more responsible than some parents ?

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Dogs enjoy freedom.

  • Joan M. Back in Lincoln Square and liking it.

    If possible, take photos and/or video of animal and person Call police.

  • Manticore

    I was recently cornered by two dogs with my back to the river, so I'm not a fan of the practice.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Dogs smell fear.

  • Manticore

    They can also taste steel.

  • Yes Donald it is illegal but most importantly it is inconsiderate. One comment said that dogs enjoy freedom. Rapists also enjoy freedom. Child molesters enjoy freedom. The person who made that comment about freedom needs to examine their moral compass.

  • ^ I have no idea what this one is writing here, but I do know he has always been very fond of talking about walking his dog unleashed. Just keep four things in mind:

    (1) Walking your dog unleashed in RP will make you stand out, and this particular individual is not eager to reveal his identity (for obvious reasons).
    (2) After a user's 40-some postings boasting about walking his dog unleashed, it is logical for other readers to suspect that the goal is to troll, not to extoll the virtues of one's leashless relation to a pet. (Perhaps "no leash" is even a metaphor for something else that one regularly does without?)
    (3) Any anonymous user on this site can make pretty much any claim they want about themselves, because there's no way to verify. So everyone is free to represent themselves as rich, poor, female, male, owner of expensive cars, owner of no car, dog-leashing, dog-not-leashing, etc. Go for it, make up whatever identity or profile you wish.
    (4) it's very easy to claim that you live in Rogers Park, but when a user never, ever makes realistic, concrete references to his or her life in this neighborhood (beyond the obvious information easily found from google maps), the rest of us are free to doubt whether the person even lives here at all.

    As always, I will enjoy the peacefulness of not reading or responding to the inevitable reply from the individual in question.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Live, so dogs are evil? Dang.

  • Amazingly, the troll has been muted 72 times in 8 months....make it 73. :) And, then ignore....

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Wazzup on 1/14/17 at 7:43 AM: "wonderful experience walking my dog yesterday - (tracked it right into the house before I realized my shoe was dirty) i stepped in pooh someone didn't pick up - makes me wonder why I bother to pick up when others don't - my hope is that they one day step in their own dogs pooh."
    http://chicago.everyblock.com/improvement/jan10-please-clean-up-after-your-dogs-7898193/#comment-906195

  • good catch, Helen.

  • Yes that seems to be an issue down in Edgewater. Very sad. Doggy doo doo on the side walks down on the Sheridan Road canyon. Nothing but high rises and traffic. Doggies have no place to drop their poopie things. Living on the canyon must be tough. Rogers Park is so much better.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    I will be at Loyola beach on Saturday morning 7/8/17. My dog will be off-leash. We walk along the beach N to S and then back.

  • Kelly Hudson Rogers Park resident for sometime

    Pedro we will capture you and your dog and send you to live in Rockford

  • Wazzup not available

    one incident does not define a neighborhood - Edgewater the place to live, work and play. and yes the Canyon does have luxury high rises with building staff and doorman - so it does generate a lot of envy. Lakeside living at its best.

  • the Canyon? I used to have a friend who lived there. I never liked the building or its surroundings very much; not much character. If it's status you're looking for, I suggest you move further south, to Lincoln Park, or perhaps to the higher-status western side of Edgewater. But if you're contented there, that's really all that matters.

    And by the way, economic status really doesn't correlate to dog-curbing habits. Down in Gold Coast and the Loop, there's a tremendous problem with dog poo on sidewalks, especially in the winter. When it's cold, owners don't want to walk their dogs, so they just prance them around in little circles outside building entrances. The dogs defecate in the snow, and the lazy owners kick more snow on top to hide it. When it thaws, there's suddenly a huge, slick smelly mess revealed. Owners down there complain about this problem a lot.

  • Rob

    Hey Pedro, couldn't make it this morning, but do let us know when you'll be walking your dog again. Maybe even a time frame as to be sure not to miss you.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Sunrise. Always at sunrise.
    You can stop and say hello, Rob.

  • make a video and share with us, Rob.
    How fun! It's like hunting the Big Foot of Rogers Park!

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    ^How can you keep up with the conversation if you claim you never read my words because they upset you too much?
    Weird.

  • Some people who live in the Sheridan Road high rise canisters have dogs but only about forty square feet of grass to allow their animals to evacuate their bodies a couple of times a day. The sidewalks and parkways are pretty gross down in the Canyon. No front yards. No back yards. Nothing but concrete, 24 hour bus and car traffic and architecturally boring multi-story canisters. The little stretch of Andersonville along Clark Street is cool but the Canyon along Sheridan Road
    is pretty much a wasteland. They have hardly any beaches even though they are right on the water.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Funny thing, I've got a photographer friend who frequently photographs sunrise from Loyola Park. I don't recall seeing anyone, much less anyone with a dog, in his photos.

  • There are people with dogs off leash. Just witnessed and argument this morning. Silly argument as the beagle just sniffed the guys pant leg and wondered off. My dog is on leash he's a little too much. Most people clean up their dogs. Its rare to see any dog waste on the beach or the grassy areas. If you feel that strongly about it there are always Cops at the north parking lot.

  • Wazzup not available

    how true - Most people clean up their dogs. Its rare to see any dog waste on the beach or the grassy areas

    I have serious problems with people who do not like dogs - a well trained dog is a gift from God.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    I was there.

  • lisaann mom

    I love the beach. I love dogs.
    However, I am allergic to dogs and cats.

    I thank dog owners who have dogs on leashes.
    I call 911 on people who don't.
    Dogs are not allowed on beaches period, (except for Montrose and Belmont harbor,) let alone off leash.

    I shouldn't have to leave the beach because someone's cute and friendly dog comes up to me off leash and drools and causes hives and asthma attacks.
    Has nothing to do with disliking dogs.

    I do dislike dog owners who think the rules do not apply to them.
    Laws are there for a reason.
    When you pick and choose which ones you will and will not obey, we have chaos.
    If you want a dog beach, lobby for one. or get support to change the law.

    'Till then, please obey the law.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Lisaann, I respect your health issues but calling the cops is futile because we see them park their vehicles far away and by the time they walk towards us, every dog is on a leash and others disperse in different directions.
    Dogs off-leash @ the beach will continue. Sorry.

  • Wazzup not available

    if Pedro is right we run the risk of "No Dogs" being allowed on the beach. we are better served by keeping them on a leash.

  • Jeffrey Littleton Making the magic happen.

    No dog beach in RP?

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    Yes the dog beach runs from the s curve to Loyola college.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Wazzy, dogs AREN'T allowed on beaches--leashed or not-- except for the few special dog beaches. No, Jeffrey, RP does not have a dog beach.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Yes they are, Helen. Sorry this bothers you, but I go to the beach with my dog constantly. Nobody complains.

  • This has lots of good info. https://windycitypaws.com/blog/chicago-leash-laws/

    Only certain beaches and parks can have off leash dogs. And even there they are supposed to have a permit and tag.

    Just because people haven't complained to someone about their dog doesn't make it any less illegal.

  • Wazzup not available

    Over 60 comments - Frank has convinced me - as long as he is a "not in my trash can" resident there is not sense in arguing with him. We should just ignore him -I know I am going to do just that - now - if i just knew where his trash can is................

  • Rob

    "Nobody complains."

    Except for all the people that complain.

  • Dogs are NOT allowed on the beach, but we dog owners ignore that rule because there are no dog beaches in Rogers Park and those of us without a car do not want to deprive our dogs of beach playtime. Every dog owner I know, goes before 11 a.m when the beaches open. We try to be respectful and the police have been great. Most are dog lovers with dogs of there own so they understand. They also know that we are not going stop using the beach and it would be useless to constantly try to enforce this law. Once in great a while a cop will say something, but as long as you're respectful and apologize, they are pretty understanding. You can debate this all you want but the facts are very clear. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, until Rogers Park provides a designated dog beach, we will continue to brake this law.

  • You are not required to live in Rogers park, nor own a dog, also dogs don't need to be on beaches.

  • Bruce_ Comment by TBD, whom you've muted

    It really enhances the beach experience when dogs Playa the beach.

  • I like to see dogs on beaches.

  • Excluding all the other concerns, I'm going to guess that you are neither allergic or afraid of dogs.

    It's not fair to use your illegal choices to force others from doing what they should be able to do.

  • It's the way it is. We are not going to stop taking our dogs to the beach. Its not going to happen. I can only speak for myself but I will try to be as considerate as possible. I can promise to continue to pick up after my dogs and I can promise not to allow them anywhere near anyone who doesn't invite them.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    ^I agree.

  • Wazzup not available

    @Maggie - you are a responsible dog owner - as long as the dog isn't bothering people you should be able to enjoy your day at the beach with the dog. There is only a few days when one can enjoy the beach -other cities including those with tons of sunshine days let the residents enjoy the beach if they pick up and do not annoy others. nothing brings a smile to a real human face like a happy and friendly dog --whoof whoof

  • The only beaches that permit dogs are Belmont Harbor Beach, Foster Beach and Montrose.

    https://windycitypaws.com/blog/is-your-dog-allowed-on-chicago-beaches/

    Those who said "dogs are permitted from here to here" are misinformed or making up their own rules. You dog will survive it doesn't visit the beach.

    And no, I don't hate dogs.

  • Thanks, Wazzup. Little kids love giving my dogs treats from their hands and seeing them do little tricks. Older people, especially people in wheelchairs get so much joy from the unconditional love they get, especially from my little dog who will happily sit on their lap to be petted for as long as possible. Parents have so often appreciated my dogs as a distraction for a kid in tears or tantrum and making them smile again. The Loyola kids dote on them because they miss their dogs from home.Someone on this thread said that dogs can live without going to the beach and it's true. They love it but of course they'd be fine, but I believe that the amount of enjoyment they get, I get, and that they bring to people who get to interact with them,is by far greater than the few who are annoyed or would rather the law was strictly enforced for whatever reason.

  • Laws are laws. If you don't agree with them, run for office and change them.

    And no, I don't hate dogs.

  • Well, like I said, we're not going to go away or stop taking our dogs to the beach. I have no interest in running for office ,but I hope when this reality is understood and excepted, the people already in office will work towards adjusting the laws in order to accommodate a situation that is here to stay, or if not, provide the people of Rogers park with the designated dog beach that we've been asking for for a long time. Until then, I will continue to be as unabtrusive and considerate as possible. That's all I've got on this issue.

  • Wazzup not available

    there is a reason i like dogs better than people - they are lovable and not ignorant

  • Judging by your post history here I would tend to agree with that, Wazzup.

  • d3 NOH

    If Rogers Park had actual infrastructure for dogs it wouldn't be an issue but meanwhile there are many positives to dog owners frequenting our beaches.

  • Sarahdonis Nearly 30 years in Edgewater; love RP & A'ville

    To those suggesting we dog folk work toward getting dog parks in legitimate ways, here's some history. We worked very hard to get a dog beach north of Montrose. We finally got a sliver of beach at the north end of Foster Beach. We had a couple of good years, and then the water level swallowed the dog beach, several years ago. Since there is notation on several websites, indicating that there is a dog beach at the Foster Beach, I personally don't understand why the Park District doesn't cordon off a new sliver for us. Well, the Alderman (who is truly caring and ordinarily effective) finally proposed a probationary park at Bryn Mawr, east of LSD, which was hoped to open in Spring 2017, but now scheduled for sometime in the fall. Hopefully, you'll see that we have been working at getting dog run area, in legitimate ways, but these things take time.
    Since you seem to have such interest in dogs being cordoned off away from you, perhaps your time would be better spent advocating for that dog beach sliver than continuing to spin your wheels with the police????
    The dog population in Chicago has increased tremendously over the past decades, and is expected to continue to rise.

  • It's not easy convincing the park district to give up general recreational lands to create dog areas for good reasons. The general public does not like trying to enjoy the parks with off-leash dogs running loose and out of control. It is the burden of dog owners, not the general public, to lobby for restricting park district land just for dogs. Families with children lobby for and get playgrounds and play lots. Tennis players lobby for and get tennis courts. Boaters and kayakers lobby for and get sections of beach just for themselves. Dog owners should respect the law and the wishes of the general public unless and until they effectively lobby for restricted dog parks and dog beaches. In the mean time, respect the general public and respect the law. The law exists for a good reason.

  • and while you're at it, always drive under the speed limit; always come to a complete stop at all stop signs; don't ride your bike on that 10-foot stretch of sidewalk leading to your door; don't throw out the previous tenant's junk mail (it's a federal offense to tamper with mail: you're supposed to forward everything, no matter what it is); don't glance at Google Maps on your cell phone while driving; don't participate in office pools (gambling is illegal); don't even think of playing poker for pennies at home with your family (it's illegal in IL and many other states); don't smoke marijuana (civil violation in IL without certification from a doctor); don't fail to notify the previous state of your driver's license registration change when moving from one state to another (you're required to, and you can potentially lose your license if you don't); don't let one of your friends take one of your prescription allergy pills (that violates both Federal and state law); don't carry sharpies in your pocket when walking in public places (they're illegal, considered graffiti tools, and children under age 13 are strictly forbidden from possessing them at all); don't watch that downloaded movie your cousin just sent you; don't nab a free wifi connection outside a Starbucks (you can be prosecuted for using free public wifi without adhering to the company's terms of service); and don't teach the Macarena to Girl Scouts (copyright infringement; a troop in Utah got sued for that).

  • Jeffrey Littleton Making the magic happen.

    Some people let their dogs drink beer in the park.

  • Few of the examples on this list ^^^ of illegal things is likely to ever harm anyone else. Running dogs off leash in public either does, or is likely to, harm other people who feel frightened, threatened or get jumped on. (Of course nobody's dog ever jumps on, sniffs or frightens other people. Lame excuse.) Comparing off leash dogs with carrying Sharpies in your pocket is a silly comparison and just about everyone knows that. We are not talking about illegalities; we are talking about disrespect. We are talking about actual or likely harm to other people. Off leash dogs often are a menace or an unwelcome nuisance which no one has a right to impose on anyone else. This is about the intentional disrespect and lack of courtesy that is directed at others and justified with the excuse that "my doggy has doggy rights and likes to run off leash". Let's just call this what it is. It's irresponsible and disrespectful.

  • Sarahdonis Nearly 30 years in Edgewater; love RP & A'ville

    Live, you may not have noticed that I said nothing about allowing dogs to run free everywhere. I am not competing with people who don't want dogs to jump on them. I was trying to demonstrate that dog folks HAVE lobbied for dogspace, and got it, and then lost it to a fact of nature. I was suggesting that if you want dogs cordoned off, you MIGHT want to participate in getting that done. But, it seems as if you want what you want, in the way that you want it, when you want it, with no regard for folks who want something different.
    To me, that sounds like the selfishness you accuse dogowners of.
    Furthermore, when is the last time you polled "the general public," to determine "their" preferences? From what has been said, about all the people who are enjoying seeing dogs around, on and off leash, it could be understood to mean that it is a minority of "the general public" who want dogs leashed at all times.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Dogs that are able to walk off-leash are the best behaved dogs. Don't be afraid.

  • Pedro, while that may be true of some dogs (and some owners) is it by no means true for all of them. I was chased and bitten by an unleashed dog. The owner just said the dog liked chasing people who were running. She left the dog unleashed by a bike/jogging bath. She couldn't pull the dog back from me since it wasn't on a leash. And that particular dog had done that before. I ended up with a bleeding and scraped leg, from someone who thought it was totally fine to keep the dog off-leash, because he "wasn't dangerous".

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Well, that's some crazy guy.
    I had a very aggressive dog bully my dog around so I "politely" made the owner put his dog in a leash and leave the area. (I'm a big guy)
    I've also seen demon-psycho dogs properly leashed and muzzled and you can tell those dogs have major issues and want to kill other dogs or even people (and should probably be put to sleep for the common good) but there's always someone willing to adopt them and deal with the problem. (Those folks also have issues but it's not pc to say it)

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    On

  • Wazzup not available

    Krtis incident is a very rare incident considering the number of dogs on the sidewalk and jogging path - we shouldn't make laws for the few at the expense of the majority.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    Of course Wazzy thinks its just fine if a few of us get bitten from time to time.

  • But that's not the only reason. Some people are allergic. Some people are afraid to go near them. So other PEOPLE can't use the park because off leash dogs are there. And they are illegally there. And the owners see nothing wrong with it. Because to do otherwise is inconvenient for them. So what if other humans now can't enjoy the park, their dog is happy. And if those people complain they are told to just deal with it, essentially.

    Additionally, it's safer for the dogs. Not as fun, maybe. But safer. They should run around in the fenced dog parks of which there are many. They don't need to be off leash in other areas, where they can run into traffic or be attacked by other off leash dogs (both of which happen with some frequency).

    No one is forced to own a dog. If you choose to, please be responsible for how it affects other people. Especially when the laws are set up to protect those people as well as your dog.

  • The law is the law!

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Sure, like the law that gives the president the power to veto foreigners that want to harm America.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    @Pedro Garciano - You wrote: "Sure, like the law that gives the president the power to veto foreigners that want to harm America."

    What law would that be?

  • Manticore

    It's from the Crown Russian Courts.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Article 8, your favorite.

  • Michael Archangel Donald Trump - An irredeemable moral failure

    @Pedro Garciano - Why would that be my favorite? I think you are projecting...it seems to be yours. Also, the POTUS does not "veto" people.

    Want to try again?

  • A non entity can't project.
    He's a made up character.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    You are "Mr and Mrs Smith". After the election you got sooooo upset that you had to change your name.

  • Manticore

    Donald Trump hates dogs.

  • A beautiful new dog park is opening in mid-August and is just a healthy and pleasant jog away in nice weather. http://48thward.org/weekly-update-from-your-alderman-july-14-2017/

  • I'm glad that people in the area will have a nice dog park. Now, if we could just get one in our own neighborhood. Even in nice weather, it's too far for us to take advantage of. Sometimes I end up carrying one my dogs towards the end of our walks. He's beginning to show signs of aging. The reason we want a designated area on the beach is because that's where live and take our dogs now. I just have to add that we,neighborhood dog owners,spend an aweful lot of time and energy cleaning trash off the beach. We have a vested interest in keeping it free of broken glass, chicken bones, dirty diapers etc.. With the exception of a school group or something, I don't see other people doing this and never on a daily basis or consistently. The people that are so eager to see us comply with an unreasonable law, will have a really filthy beach to enjoy if they have their way. I don't think many people realize just how much we clean up after the beach goers, especially after the weekend or a holiday.

  • Sarahdonis Nearly 30 years in Edgewater; love RP & A'ville

    Which is your neighborhood, Maggie?

  • You might want to read the park district's manual about establishing a dog friendly area (DFA) at: http://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/assets/1/23/Comprehensive_DFA_Package.pdf

    Note that the manual says on page 2 that there is a preference for not siting a new DFA in an existing park. DFAs in existing parks will be considered only if there are no other land options available in the community. On page 4 it also says that in 2013 the estimated construction cost of a DFA was $150,000 and that the DFA Committee, not the park district, is responsible for 100% of the cost of development of the DFA. If you can meet those and other requirements, there also must be at least three neighborhood meetings open to the public. In reality you could expect significant opposition against anything that would take away some of our beautiful beach. Getting a new DFA is neither cheap nor easy. But, if you are seriously interested, start forming a committee that is willing to cough up the money and begin the application process.

  • lisaann mom

    sounds like a great thing for participatory budgeting.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Yeah.

  • Sarahdonis, I leave as far east as you can get in Rogers Park. I take my dogs along the beach to the park. If no one is playing tennis, I take them to run around in the tennis court. That's against the rules too, but it's enclosed so a lot of people bring their dogs there for exercise as an alternative to the beach.

  • LIveFRP, I'm really not interested. I rarely have a negative issue taking my dogs to the beach before 11 am in the summer and never have a problem with anyone, police or private citizen, in the cold months ,no matter what time of day.

  • But for those who are interested in getting a new DFA they need to know that they have to come with a real organization, a real plan, some real cash and convince the general public, along with some official groups, by conducting at least three, formal open meetings. That takes a lot of time and effort that goes far beyond just moaning on EB. That's why so many dog owners pretend that the whole neighborhood is a DFA, break the law and sometimes get stung with a fine.

  • Sarahdonis Nearly 30 years in Edgewater; love RP & A'ville

    Despite the literature that Live sites, there will soon be a dog park at/near the northernmost tip of Lincoln Park.
    Maggie, it may behoove you to contact Harry Osterman's office for insight on how it (not actually yet) got done so (relatively speaking) quickly in Edgewater. Maybe Harry could tutor Joe.😉

  • Osterman's tutorial is in his newsletter. The relocated, not new, DFA at Bryn Mawr is a replacement in exchange for an existing one at Foster Beach that no longer is useable because of rising lake levels. The Edgewater dog group that organized to get the DFA at Foster isn't a new group at all. The park district simply is making an accommodation by relocating the Foster Beach DFA up to Bryn Mawr. http://48thward.org/weekly-update-from-your-alderman-july-14-2017/

  • d3 NOH

    PB can never be used for this because it's not a selection of projects people actually want it's a selection of projects that check off a box to fulfill categories of choices. For example there are ways mural and art projects when we lack basic infrastructure in this ward. Further the setup and policies on establishing a DFA are extremely antiquated.

  • d3 NOH

    Nyc has been progressed on this issue by setting hours for dogs vs not which makes lot more sense than the resources Chicago wastes not solving problems

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    d3, what do you mean that "PB can never be used for this"? How do you think we got the dog park at Pottawattomie? It was on the very first PB ballot. You really have no idea how PB works but you love to pontificate about how terrible it is.

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    oh oh D3 - you disagreed with Helen North of Howard - that is a no no on this blog as she believes she is its only legitimate mouthpiece and monitor - Freedom of speech is not important here.

  • Getting a dog park takes a lot of effort, time, commitment and organization. Getting the Paww-ttowtomie Dog Park wasn't easy but the people who accomplished it didn't spend time moaning and complaining on EB. They worked very hard for what they have and now are enjoying it. They also work to maintain it. Paww-ttowtomie Dog Park is a privilege that they earned.

  • d3 NOH

    Helen I can't just show up to the planning meeting and ask for a DFA project to be added. It goes through some process to whittle the choices the public has down, do you agree on that?

  • The groups behind the Paw-ttawattomie, Puptown, Clarendon, Montrose and Challenger DFAs worked hard and didn't waste their time moaning on EB and were willing to attend far more than just one meeting d2. For starters, they spent lots of time understanding how to get money and get the ball rolling. Lazy people never end up getting DFAs.

  • d3 NOH

    Live from rogers park none of that is helpful or even a response to what was asked.

  • d3 NOH

    Nor do you have any clue who is or isn't lazy around here.

  • As I said, people who are too lazy to work hard enough to get a DFA might benefit from turning some of the energy used in complaining on EB toward getting a DFA for their pets. Didn't mean to trigger a defensive reaction but if the shoe fits then take a walk with the dog and use the leash for the dog's protection. Automobile traffic and unleashed dogs is an irresponsible mix.

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  • I totally agree that dog owners should be respectful of people on the beach and in the park. Some other cultures don't see dogs the way we do here and are deathly afraid of them. I give everyone the right of way in the park, on the beach, on the sidewalk. I rarely have an issue with anyone because I do get it. I think more people would be receptive to compromise if we proceeded from this prospective.

  • Irresponsible pet owners impose a burden on everyone. Responsible pet owners are not distinguishable from those who aren't unless their pet is on a leash. Any person whose pet is off leash is automatically not responsible. People do not want to wait until an off leash pet scares a child, playfully jumps on someone, runs over their beach blanket and food or worse before deciding who isn't responsible. Rarely having an issue with anyone because of an unleashed pet already is one issue too many. This isn't about compromising over how many incidents are too many. One incident with an off leash pet already is one too many and not subject to compromise. We don't debate and compromise over how many underage boys with a bottle of Dad's whiskey and keys to the family car is one too many on the streets do we? The same goes for unleashed pets. We don't receptively compromise over how much nuisance from unleashed pets and breaking of the law is acceptable any more than we receptively compromise over how many shootings or murders are acceptable among reasonable people.

  • Helen NoH North of Howard for 55 + years

    d3, the FIRST step is to show up at one of the neighborhood assemblies, the final one of which for the current round was held at Willye White last Saturday, and suggest a dog park. If enough people suggest a dog park and if enough people interested in getting a dog park on the ballot volunteer to act as community representatives to research it and determine the feasibility, including the cost, the dog park could end up on the ballot. Then, it's up to the PB voters. In the first year, there was a large group of people who dedicated themselves to working really hard on the dog park proposal. Since then, I've mostly just heard moaning and groaning from other folks.

    Frankly, I think it highly unlikely that the Park District will ever agree to a dog beach in RP.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    I don't know why my comment was deleted by the moderators as being "spam". The subject is about dogs.
    I stated that well behaved dogs are perfectly OK to be off-leash and they do not chase squirrels or run into traffic just because they feel like doing it. (A well behaved dog awaits for instructions)
    Of course, if your dog isn't well trained, you should keep it on a leash always, or if it is one of those extremely aggressive former-fighting dogs that some people tend to adopt.

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    Maggie Neff, you wrote, "Some other cultures don't see dogs the way we do here and are deathly afraid of them."
    So why do we have to adapt to accomodate them?
    If we moved to one of these countries and got dogs, would they adapt to accomodate us?

  • Well-trained, well-behaved dogs off leash are usually not a problem. My observation is that most people who exercise their dogs off-leash do it when there are few, if any people using the park, or in semi-enclosed areas where they can maintain control of the dog. The real problem is a few dog owners who behave irresponsibly with their dogs, letting them run loose when they don't actually have control over them, or when the park is full of people (and other dogs). These people are clueless, not knowing the difference, and telling themselves that whatever they choose to do is okay because someone else does it.

  • d3 NOH

    So Helen you agree that PB ballots aren't a choice of what voters want but rather a selection committee decides what is on the ballot.

  • the idea of "what voters want" is laughable. They all want different things, and the things in question usually contradict each other.

  • More off leash dogs at the beach today. Luckily there was a bike patrol officer circling around and I flagged him and reported the violators.

  • Can't understand how Lib, who's only post ever was about illegal drinking on the beach, would thumb down my comment. Double standard on laws much, Lib?

  • Pedrito I offer you the RED PILL, that's all.

    At what time was that, Donald? Because I was there yesterday with my dog (no leash same as always) and I didn't see any cop.
    I'm going to the beach in a few minutes.

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