I am wondering what do the neighbors think of this? I think it has good and bad in it. I like the fact that it will give people jobs who really need them, but what will it do to the traffic in an all ready congested area?
I think traffic will become more congested, of course, but the bridges are being improved now and the streets will be widened as well. This should mitigate some of the congestion. Over all, I'm for it. Target has always proven to be a good corporate neighbor, providing generous local community contributions. Full disclosure, I don't live in 27th Ward but just next door in Old Town. Still, I have some skin in the game.
Thanks Smitty, I think you you said has a point. I live a block or two away from there in the new condos/townhomes built there a few years ago, and yes that is my biggest concern is the traffic. You and I both know the area bounded by Chicago on the south Dickens on the North and Halsted and the Lake on the East and West is very congested right now and this will not make it any better, but I do belive that it will help the area become even better. I just wish that some of the old residents and some others would realize that it is trying to help bring about change to a once forgotten area. You might be next door in Old Town but I have the feeling that we will be in the same ward very soon. No we need to work on getting a new firehouse over here for Engine 4/Tower 10. :)
There're a couple ways to "solve" congestion: 1. Make it hard to drive. 2. Make it easy, safe and convenient to use other options, like walking, bicycling, and taking transit.
North/Clybourn/Halsted shopping area is well-served by transit: there's the Red Line, Route 8/Halsted, and Route 72/North. Bicycling facilities can be added or improved as can the walking environment.
Giving people more options makes for a robust and responsive transportation system, one that can "deal" with congestion more easily than transportation systems that focus on one thing: moving (or storing) cars.
I support Target wherever there's room, the community wants it, and where Target will be contributing street and road improvements.
@ Steven hard to drive in this area !!! Nah!!! *Smile* you and I both know that people are not going to stop driving around this area there is just to much going on. I love Target also I just hope the negative people and those who want something for nothing stay away. Maybe we can convince CTA to put a station on Clybourn(Clybourn & Larrabee Red line) and/or add a permanent bus route to Clybourn.
@Joe I saw that but I really wonder sometimes. Was he being politically correct? Or was he doing it just to make it sound like he supports it?
I like how folks will embrace a Target and try to kill a Wal Mart. I'm not a big WalMart fan either, but as an ex-employee of Target, I can tell you they are same. Target does the same damage to a community that a WalMart does, they just look better doing it.
Compared to many other areas of the city, traffic in this area/at that intersection is really not bad at all. A bit further north, Halsted turns into a nightmare, and it's not due to big box stores. I don't see Target as having a huge negative impact. Putting *anything* there will obviously increase traffic versus leaving it as a vacant lot. Cabrini didn't generate much traffic when it existed either because it was pretty isolated and residents didn't generally have cars.
@ Ava you think so? Not trying to be funny I have never heard anything bad about Target, even though they told me I was overqualified for a job there about 9 years ago( it was only part time I was not trying to be CEO or anything) I have likes for both, I think that for those who for whatever reason can't find a good job for whatever reason companies like them fill a void. I was speaking to my old college roommate the other day about this and I said" I would rather make $15-20K a year and struggle a little than not have anything and struggle a lot" But speaking of Wally world they want to put a small one at Chicago and Franklin also.
I was way over qualified too. This was about 3 or 4 years ago when we first moved here. At the time I had a Bachelors degree (in Urban Planning, no less, lol) and they offered both my husband and I $9/hr. WalMart offered only about .25 less.
Know that I'm not about to go to some Town Hall meeting and make a fuss about it. I don't really care in that sense. I like Target just as much as the next guy. I just don't like how people are making a big fuss about how WalMart kills mom and pop shops, creates traffic, and pays low wages when Target is doing much of the same.
I'm not so sure a Target there is better than nothing. If you put a Target there, then you can't serve other community needs. What about a community center, town square, library, cultural center or a co-op business/shopping center for small businesses. Is Target really the best option or is it just the quickest, easiest option?
And another note, you can't build a bigbox store then make it hard to drive there. You'd end up killing the business the community invested in. People go to bigboxers to buy massive quantities of big stuff. You can't take two comforter sets and a flat screen tv home on your bike.
If people flock to the Target once it's there, I'd say chances are pretty good that it's fulfilling community needs. If Target wants to buy and develop the land, I'm not going to stop them. The city doesn't seem to be lacking for libraries or cultural centers, and there are huge budget problems that those things would only exacerbate. There is also plenty of retail space available for rent throughout the city for small businesses. Small businesses could go in here, though obviously the space is too large for a single one to develop it. You would need a developer to do it, and I'm sure that Target is (or will be) competing with (other) developers for the purchase of this land. It should go to whoever is willing to pay the most for it. Also, given that there is such a high (retail) vacancy rate throughout the city, I doubt that there will be too many developers interested in building for small businesses in this space. Just look at the Roosevelt Collection languishing in the SLoop.
I agree with Smitty, I don't live in the area, but I have worked int he area for the past 21 years. Once bridge is completed and the streets widened, it shouldn't be any worse than the rest of the city that have big box stores in certain areas. And I am all for people being employed.
@ Ava there is already a new library down the street from there on Division. As far as cultural goes you have the North and Halsted Theater district.
@David J I hear you on the Roosevelt Collection in the SL. I was looking to buy there when I bought here and decided not to because they offered no 3 bedroom condos nor any town homes. Good idea bad execution of it though.
As far as mom and pop stores go, there are not to many of them left in my opinion that are legit and those that are legit have a following that will keep them in business.
Yeah, and I believe Roosevelt is going rental now for the residential units. The retail space is completely vacant aside from the (oh-so-excellent) Showplace ICON movie theater there. EnV in River North has a bunch of empty retail space, as does 235 Van Buren, and my building (R&D 659) and many other new construction condo buildings. In any given city block, there's probably at least one or two vacant storefronts in older buildings as well. Space for small businesses is NOT a problem in Chicago right now.
I agree with Ava and Insider, Walmart was vilified by local politicians for various reasons but Target gets a pass. Both are great success stories and contribute back to their communities. As long as the land generates a positive cash flow into Chicago's tax base and maintains social and ecological integrity, I'm in.
I actually love your neighborhood. Congested ? yes perhaps but it's still a sense of community. I have to say that we must have been "Spiritually Guided" to the 24th Ward and I can honestly say that We would give anything to even hear about a target, starbucks, a decent store. We don't even have a decent grocerystore that I would patronize. I think that many of the tax payers in our ward would gladly deal with the congestion instead of the shootings, killings, intoxicants walking the streets everyday and kids just wandering around as if they are lost.