Can't say I agree with the whole expungement issue. As one who employs people from time to time, I think I should have a right to know the background of the person I am bringing into my workplace, contact with my tenants and the other workers. I have enough sense to be able to figure out if I want to bring an ex-offender onto my payroll or not.
Mr. Thomas,....have you read the proposed legislation? Shouldn't ex-offenders have the opportunity to re-enter society with a clean slate after rehabilitation? If Congress can propose amnesty for illegal immigrants, why shouldn't our own United States citizens have an opportunity to have their non-violence sentences sealed/expunged. H.B. 5723 gives ex-offenders an opportunity and chance to break the cycle. Anyone interested in more info on the re-entry program send me your email info.
But I am FOR knowing the background of someone whom I may or may not bring into my business. As the person paying the salary and having the most at risk in a hiring decision, I feel that should be MY choice and should have all the information available to me to make that choice.
Most people know that if you are convicted of a felony you may well lose your right to vote in some states. Today, more than 5.3 million Americans find themselves disenfranchised.
On the other hand, most people don't know that a criminal record frequently triggers broad and sweeping restrictions on employment, housing, education, access to economic assistance and food stamps, drivers licenses, child custody, voting and jury service. For people leaving prison these obstacles can make a successful re-adjustment to comment life virtually impossible.
Current estimates suggest that 13 millionAmericans are either serving a felony sentence or have has a felony conviction in the past. In addition, 47 million people have a criminal record on file. Since even an arrest record that doesn't lead to conviction can influence hiring decisions (even yours), the collateral consequences of a criminal record now affect a substantial proportion of the adult population.
Moreover, given the racial dynamics of the criminal justice system, communities of color experience the collateral consequences more than others. This can be seen most dramatically for African-Americans with one of every six having served time in prison and even greater numbers having a felony conviction.
This is not to say that all collateral consequences work against the public interest. Few people would object to restrictions on connected pedophiles being able to work in a day care center or as janitors in a building with children. In this instance, the object of the restriction is public safety and the person's criminal behavior is directly linked to that objective. But in many instances that is not the case. if we don't give exoffenders a chance, then "incarceration and re-entry, it might as well be a life sentence."
I think e need to be clear on what felonies can be expunged and in what circumstance. I have to agree with Casey--employers need to know the background of whom they are hiring and putting into positions where they have to be trusted. I don't think that having a criminal conviction should cause one's life to end--making it impossible to obtain a job or housing, etc., but I'd also like to know that my employer didn't unwittingly jeopardize my safety at work by bringing in a violent offender who has not resolved his violent tendencies.
Read H.B. 5723......it only covers non-violent felonies. I understand your oncerns, but again I say employers hire illegal immigrants without knowing their backgrounds. The proposed amnesty program for illegal immigrants will wipe their crime off the books and allow them to work. Amnesty for illegals but no sealing/expungement for our own U.S. citizens? Anyway, many times it's not ex-offenders who murder co-workers, or committ other crimes at work because they couldn't get hired to start with. So who commits these crimes?.....law abiding citizens like yourself hired by the employer.
Fortunately, hiring is an employers market. There are so many qualified people looking for work, who do not have a crimminal past, that this is a moot point as it pertains to hiring.
As an owner of rental property, I think I also should have the right to know what kind of person and their background is, who will be occupying my property and become a neighbor to my other law-abiding tenants. I owe that to my tenants.
Law-abiding citizens like MYSELF are the ones committing workplace crimes? Huh. Wow. Is there something in this bill that ties this issue to that of amnesty for undocumented workers? Because I see those as two separate issues and did not intend to imply that I supported one by questioning the other. I appreciate that you have very strong feelings about both of these issues, but others are going to form their own opinions regardless of your sledgehammering them with yours. If you will excuse me, I have some workplace criminal activity to plan.
Next time you look at the news and see violence in the workplace verify if that person who got the job had a criminal record before the employer hired them......my feeling are no stronger than yours are about your views. Personally I see the issues as being related, "it's politics if you got a job and it's politics if you're not working. Put yourself in the position of an ex-offender.......now image how you'd feel and survive if after serving your sentence and being rehabilitated you couldn't get work, housing, and economic assistance.
My point about the two issues is that an undocumented illegal immigrant can get work, no matter his background while our own citizens are looked out of work and housing.........
I addressed the issues you raise in my Friday post.......let's hope you never become a victim of the criminal justice system..........
Thank you Julia and dont be discouraged by the excuse makers. They might have good intentions, but they are holding the race back.
And I am not worried about becoming in the crimminal justice system. I don't do drugs, I am in home and in bed at a decent hour and did the things in life and learned lifes lessons from my married mother AND father...and by doing so am setting an example to my own children - also products of a two parent household.
Casey, thank you for the encouragement. I am not discouraged at all. I am a little disappointed in this thread, however. I enjoy exchanging ideas with people of different opinions and viewpoints, because how else can you learn? And normally everyone on this board is very civil even when in disagreement. But nothing is to be gained by someone who presents no debate in his favor, other than "agree with me or be insulted." Once I learn that a person is like this, i discontinue discussion with them because I do not like to waste my time. I, too, am confident in my ability to remain outside the criminal justice system because I have sufficient self-control to avoid committing crimes. But then, it's not the perpetrators of the crimes that are the victims of the system, it's the ones they commit their crimes against. But I guess we're just supposed to forget all about that and get distracted by completely unrelated issues like immigration.
Mr. Thomas,....just because you don't do drugs (including coffee, cigarettes and medication) and are at home at a decent hour doesn't mean you won't get caught up in the criminal justice system. You do remember former police officer John Burge? Burge tortured and brutalized over 110 African-American men into confessing to crimes they didn't commit. Many of these men were at home in bed when the crimes occurred. As you know the courts exonerated most of these men, released them and paid them damages....I'm sure many of these men had self-control to avoid committing crimes, just like Julia claims to have.
Mr. Thomas, we both know there's a big difference between how the police treat African-American men vs. African-American women.
And Julia just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make you more right than them. Hope to see you both at the next Kennedy-King re-entry program meeting to share some of those positive ideas with ex-offenders.
Now before people start jumping on me, I knew a guy who was a guard at Cook County jail and the stories he told weren't pretty. The prisoners would actually set other prisoners on fire. Sometimes the people that are in prison are there for a reason.
Red 5x5'......Some had arrest records and others didn't. That still doesn't justify torturing and brutalizing arrestees to force them to admit to crimes they didn't commit. I don't doubt that prisoners abuse other prisoners, but my point still is that torturing and brutalizing arrestees to force confessions from them is illegal and the courts have said so......and the taxpayers have had to pay for it.
Well Mr. Macklin, I will take my chances being at home at a decent hour, reading to my children (and yes, no coffee, medications or nicotine in my system - thank you ).
And Cathy, I agree with you. However I will not be Mau-Maued out of making my opinion known.
And no, I will not be at an expungement summit on the 30th - I will be in Providence, RI with my oldest son for registration to Brown University of the Ivy League - a black male who has grown up in this community, never spent a day in jail or a police car and did not need a "village" to raise him.
I watched a documentary on Alcatraz. The prison was one of the most brutal of all in the US. Even Al Capone was humbled there. Some people don't deserve a break. Some people find religion. It all depends on how receptive a person is to change.
Frankly, I think the United States should have an exchange of prisoners with say, Russia. We take theirs, they take ours. These US tough guys would be totally humbled by being in a gulag.
The funniest thing is I never disagreed with a point of view here. I asked a question and expressed a concern. I was not trying to be right, I haven't even said anything to try to be right about. I was just a little alarmed that I was practically accused of committing workplace crimes for asking a question. I can't even begin to image how I was so thoroughly misinterpreted. It's as if the actual content of my posts was outright ignored in favor of making assumptions about my state of mind. This leads me to believe that I have no reason to attend this meeting. If it proceeds anything like this discussion has, there will be little to no information imparted about the bill itself and will likely devolve into a name-calling match or tirade about the criminal activities of law-abiding citizens (huh?) and undocumented workers, and no one will learn anything.
Julia,.......Read your post and then read the responses to it. If it sounds like a duck, if it quacks like a duck.....if it walks like a duck, then guess what?.....it's a duck......still waiting for an invite to those positive programs you participate in......LOL
Julia: you cannot reason with the street corner community activists types. they have an answer for everything that decent law abiding taxpaying working people are doing is wrong and that the fault is with us for not "understanding" the miscreants in our society. Well I have lived in the community for over 40 years and refused to be guilt-tripped into that game the Jesse Jackson types try to pull. The positive programs I participate in are: - raising my children to be respectful, productive members of society and not make excuses for their actions; - work and pay the taxes to support those who do not subscribe to the above
Mr. Macklin. I see you would prefer to continue in your hostility toward me and would prefer to make assumptions about me rather than address a perfectly reasonable concern in a civil manner. We have nothing further to say to each other on any topic. I will not respond to anything else you post on any subject and I expect the same courtesy from you.
Julia and mr. Thomas,....good riddance to bad rubbish...thought it would never end. What you guys see as hostility is the real world. Ask Jesse Jackson........LOL
Mr. Thomas,....you sure do assume a lot and that's the problem. Your comment assumes that I and others who don't agree with you are "street corner community activists," who are not law abiding tax paying citizens. Wrong again......and just because you've been in the community for over 40 years that doesn't mean your words are holy.....maybe you need a "new and different perspective" not 40 years old.
And here's a quote for you " you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.......And as the bible says "that which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered....answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him; answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit....to Julia and Mr. Thomas especially....train up a child in the way he shoul go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it....not a program but rather your duty as a parent.......bye, bye.
iRinnyRecent college grad trying to save my neighborhood
Darnell I was wondering if there are any programs like this for Juvinile offenders as well? I'm trying to go into info tech and computer science for postgraduate work and have started learning programming languages and working on database management. Once I get a better handle on it I'd like to work with them. If you have any info please pass it along.
Mr. Thomas!.....be not rash with thy mouth and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few......the words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.....Nod Nafuuach....Tut Mir Hano'eh......LOL