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Added Feb 28 2012

Terrorist:a person who terrorizes or frightens others...

Our community is being terrorised and the bodies are stacking up. 40 murders in January, up from 26 last year. We've got a serious problem and it's obvious that this current administration is not the answer. How do we organize a march here in Chicago? We need solutions ASAP!

  • Barney Seth Barnhart Thirteen year Garfield Park resident

    I can't find figures that match yours, where did you get these?

  • Josh. .

    @Emjay,
    What exactly is it you expect the administration TO DO?

    What ideas can you offer? In my personal opinion, this is a poor parenting and poor family values issue. Please stop blaming and waiting for the administration or government to raise our children. I do agree there should be more outreach programs. Nonetheless, let’s not hold our breath in a climate of budget cuts.

    I’m also very sad to say that over the past several decades, I know and hear of parents teaching their children either wittingly or unwittingly to hate and disrespect authority and society. (There is very little mayor Emanuel can do about that)!

    96.8 percent of homicides and 85.2 percent of robberies in Chicago are committed by African-Americans.

    Source:
    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/06/15/the-color-of-crime-chicago/

    SPECIAL NOTE:
    Although I “do not” agree with every comment from this article, I do agree and very embarrassed by the fact that African Americans are predominately responsible for the uncivilized and unnecessary terrorism in Chicago.

  • @Josh, I expect the administration to do what we pay them to do. If someone gets their iphone stolen on the Near NorthSide, there will be media coverage until the perp is caught. Take a look at the South Side and West Side. Rewind 20 years and then fast forward 20 years and nothing has changed. Daley spent his whole tenure in office catering to Downtown and the North Side. If a police officer is injured or killed in the line of duty, all hell will break loose and you better believe they will find the person who did it.

    Our community is underserved in every way. How are the drugs and guns getting into the community? It's not like they are trying to stop it. It's funny how people can open up 6-7 liquor stores or "Food Marts" (which is a front for a liquor store) within two blocks in our community and the Alderman say nothing about it. It's because the Alderman allow it. Trust me, there is something onthe back-end for them.

    As far as the "hate & disrespect for a authority", tell the CPD to treat the streets and the victims as if it were one of their own. That's the problem with that. The community don't see a partner in the police department. As I stated it's not personal until one of their own goes down.

    Take a look at the CPS. There is ALWAYS a funding problem. Why is that? Is that the parents fault? Where are the libraries? Where are the big box stores that will create jobs for the community? We are relying on the government to raise our children we rely on them to provide the same service they provide to everbody else.

  • I meant we are NOT relying on the government to raise our kids. Typo.

  • Our community is underserved in every way. How are the drugs and guns getting into the community? It's not like they are trying to stop it. It's funny how people can open up 6-7 liquor stores or "Food Marts" (which is a front for a liquor store) within two blocks in our community and the Alderman say nothing about it. It's because the Alderman allow it. Trust me, there is something onthe back-end for them.

    South and West siders continue to elect the same Alderman, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    We need to rally together. Collect photos, email requests for service to Mayor, Superintendent, Area Chiefs, Commanders, 911, Chief of Staff....

    Post on EB and chronicle the TRUTH on your street. TV says one thing while we suffer with another HYPE about new iniatives which ultimately will turn into more failed iniatives.

    Take a look at the FIRE photos. Chronicle your own stories on your block.

    We can write a new history book together...kind of like an expose'...of what the REAL TRUTH is on the blocks of Chicago.

    Stick to FACTS. Tell the TRUTH. Capture it...publish it.

    I think we all will be astounded at how bad things really are.

    Ultimately...try to get a FRIEND buy a vacant abandoned building and LIVE HERE. We need to get buildings back on the tax rolls pronto. We need working people to LIVE HERE.

    EGP is a raw canvas now. We can create the neighborhood of our dreams. We just have to stay FOCUSED and get rid of those who hold us back.

    It is EASY...it just takes alot of effort.

  • @Jerry, the people of the community are not blameless. They are at fault as well. Josh question was "What exactly is it you expect the administration TO DO?" And I answered it. The quote that you just quoted me on is something that happens everyday right up under our noses. Say what you want but everything I stated was fact. Don't worry, they'll see the unemployment line real soon.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Guys...wanna do a proactive move? I read somewhere that a community somewhere just banned together and turned their front porch lights on. With everyone turning those lights on it made the streets brighter and therefore safer. (not sure where this was)

    Want to start a thing here on EB? Lets...MAKE SURE your street and alley lights are on? Lets work on steps to keep our streets SAFER.

    Could those on EB go online and order their alley or street lights fixed...by the method on the cityofchicago.org homepage; left side click "report/file".

    Order your street and alley lights fixed. When it is not done, reorder. After the 2nd reorder...list here the range of addresses and exact location. Will send emails to someone who can get it done FASTER if your orders are slow.

    That is PROACTIVE. Lets get all our LIGHTS ON!

    Anybody up for this test trial? If it doesn't happen quickly...say in2 weeks post here NEED HELP AT xxxxxx

    We just got all our alley lights on LAST WEEK. Why? Shooters running up and down the alley. Gang/bangers running up and down the alley. Plus a FIRE across the alley.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    So much for all those TV interviews where the Mayor and Superintendent are bragging about what a great results their new iniatives are yielding.

    Where I sit..things are GETTING WORSE. Nobody migrated to Oak Park or River Forest. They are HERE on my block at the same time, same day, same places as always.

    The only difference is it is WORSE this February than is typical in say May. This means this summer COULD BE headed for the worst in many many years.

    Shooters, fires, robberies, beatings, murders...it is really frightening. All of us need to be EXTRA careful when we are outside and even inside.

    Get out your cameras, cel cameras...and start shooting yourself...shoot the images of what is really going on on our streets. Post here and chronicle. Stick to the TRUTH and facts.

    What we have going on now is a MONOPOLY by those who say GOOD THINGS and ommit the BAD THINGS.

    That is not fair, it is not balanced, and mostly it is a BIG FAT LIE.

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  • chasfh North of North and West of Western since '02

    From the story:

    University of Chicago professor Jens Ludwig cautioned against reading too much into statistics over such a short period of time, saying there can be a lot of fluctuation year-to-year.

    I recommend waiting a few months and comparing the six month rating year over year. If it's still up 50%, you got a point.

  • @Chasfh, do your research. I've done mine. These numbers came from the horses mouth. I know I got a point! Murder is murder! There is no comparing in six month increments. You may be able to do that in your neck of the woods but on the South and West Side, these numbers need to be tallied monthly because it happens so frequently. Read my post again, I said that last January there were 26 murders and this January there were 40. That's more than six months. I doubled it for you and the professor.

  • Josh. .

    @Emjay,
    With all due respect, you keep avoiding the real issue here. Only traditional family values and better educated parents can instill personal responsibility into our children which will help to minimize foolish crime.

    You may have forgotten that Mayor Daley strategically relocated thousands of residents and families from the projects and integrated them into city neighborhoods along with millions of dollars for financial assistance so they might have a better chance for prospering and to also help reduce crime. Well, did Mayor Daley fail? Did the CPD fail? Did our Federal Government fail?..... Of course not!

    Why are these so-called “underserved communities taking up the majority of police resources? This seems up-side-down to me.

    Regardless of the different theories for why Mayor Daley really demolished the projects, these folks squandered a great opportunity to improve their own lives and only proved that they just might be beyond salvation. Now we’re all paying for it in one way or another! Again, it’s not the administration’s fault. I say OK, build more libraries and make it mandatory that parents attend classes to learn how to raise productive members of society if it’s not already too late.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Josh...with all due respect your world view is a little skewed from watching to much tv hype.

    The REAL DEAL over here is that LEGIONS of union labor is dispatched...and these legions at best do a bad job. That is the object of the game. Pay legions who are loyal to politicians so the politicians stay in power. Get a straw into the taxpayer pocket and gouge as much as you can.

    I see it every single day. Then the victim gets blamed.

    Why are neighborhoods so dangerous?

    No one gets arrested. So, criminals do whatever they wan tall day long because no one gets arrested. In my high crime district 11; less than 1 person gets arrested per month...on average bya police officer. That isn't many. Then on some months the judges throw out 100% of their arrests due to defect (errors in evidence) and NOBODY goes to jail.

    Street light guys can come out 17 times to do a job, same for water meter people...or ANY of the various city departments. Then lets top it off with abonible work by vendors and pay them 1.5 mil and throw on a dash of nfp work at 1.5 mil or more. The neighborhood looks like an over grown jungle with trash everywhere while we pay millions for work no one in their right mind would pay for.

    So...It isn't as your world view maps out. It is an INSANE ASSYLUM over here. There are even guards in a nut house. We pay for service that quite frankly never comes. Why? So more union personel can be hired to do work over and over and over and over and over and over and over up to 17 times...at TAXPAYER EXPENSE.

    We didn't get to be the 2nd most corrupt state in the Country without having some GAMES in play.

    Lets feed the friends of the politicians and make sure they get rich enough.

    Block 37 was sold by 4 failed evelopers to the tune of almost 1 trillion...and we the taxpayer who sold it say 22 years go got 200,000.

    So...it is not as you think. We need to turn this ship around. AND we can do it.

  • @gpblight, thank you! Well said. @Josh, it seems as if you have stolen a page from Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. Either that or you were part of the Daley administration. Why do you think every other community excels and our doesnt? RESOURCES!!!! You know that. The families in the community are trying their best. They have their issues but they don't have the opportunity to excel. Today Pat Quinn mentioned that funding for the CPS will be $230 million short. The tolls were increased by almost double to fix roads and no increase in anything to fix the schools. What do you think about that? For you to say that the people in the African American community are beyond salvation is just plain evil. Who made you judge and jury? It's clear that you are out of touch and don't want to be in touch.

    As far as Daley and his heroic attempt to save the African American community, that's a red herring and a farce. You can save that for someone who is weak minded. Trust me, i'm not the one to be fooled. I can go all night with this. You need some culture in your life.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Taxpayers need to see the mechanisms that cause Chicago to be bankrupt. It is not so clear unless you put together all the little pieces...that are kept hidden.. You have to not only live here...but do foias, and take photos, and do research to be able to put 2 and 2 together. All people who live here know is how dirty it is and what a mess the streets and alleys can be. They don't know that MILLIOS are spent to keep us this bad.

    No one would believe what goes on here. So...Josh is only seeing what they get on TV and say. People believe TV and newspapers even when they air inaccurate information.

    The TV hype of today is no different than that of all the other FAILED projects touted to solve a problem for the last 3 decades. All it did was give jobs to people and produce nothing.

    The next time someone puffs out their chest at arresting 1800 drug people...i will errupt. That figure is at best 2% of the bad guys. What does this mean? 98% are STILL on the streets doing their bad stuff. They have been master manipulators with gross numbers that hide puney % numbers.

    Boy is that cynical or what...:-( It is hard to see this and live it everyday. It is hard to see the WASTE, INEFFICIENCIES, CORRUPTION day by day.

    But we have to do our best to redirect resources and new inhabitants to EGP or it will disintegrate into ashes...which is what it is doing now.

    We are doing well in turning around Wilcox/Francisco. It is alot of hard hard work...but it is moving little by little. Working with great city people is the key. The only piece we don't have is CPD to arrest gang/drug people under police camera 398. These are DOJ issues for sure.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    EGP was developed due to discrimination and segregation against the rich Jews at the turn of the century. Now it is stunted because of discrimination and segregation of African Americans. It is some kind of weird full cycle.

    We now need anybody of any nationality and race to come and LIVE HERE so we can reverse the demographic loss of almost 60% of the neighborhood!

    This is a game of numbers. We need a bigger inflow than outflow. We need a net increase in working folks vs non working folks so we can be a normal functioning neighborhood.

    So...anyone with a small suitcase of cash or a pension that can be used to buy a home....PLEASE come and buy one of these foreclosure properties on MY BLOCK or the block of any of the other fine EB people :-) We need u :-)

  • Interesting thread, what I get from it: You all are waiting for the City to do for you. Well don't hold your breathe. The only thing that will change the culture of this Town is a Federal Investigation and as this is the base of our current United States President that ain't happening. Now moving isn't all that bad an idea it is nationally known that Chicago has given up on it'd West and Southsides Stsrt thinking about what you can do for yourself because the City doesn't care and if that means leaving then leave or stay and become a statistic.

  • Josh. .

    @Emjay & gpblight,
    I’m not sure it’s very mature to call my world views evil or mention how I lack culture for simply being a “root cause” oriented person.

    Cultural lifestyles are a big reason for why other communities excel and ours does not. It has very little to do with corrupt unions and corrupt politicians, they exist everywhere! I’m fully aware that there are many good hard working residents in our community; I am not speaking to them. I’m speaking about the dangerous criminals with no regard for human life who may be beyond salvation. I will continue to pray and hope this will not be the case. Nonetheless, I find it amusing that some keep dismissing the idea that the problem may be cultural and find more comfort blaming it on longitude and latitude.

    BTW, I never worked for the Daley Admin.

  • I just know it would be kind of nice to give kids something to do constructive after school, parks, programs, mentoring, etc - instead of turning the schools into day care and legislate keeping the kids off the street after hours.

  • @Josh, don't back-pedal now. You said they are beyond salvation and now you say you are praying for them. Oxymoron my friend. Everyone on this post knows that there is a cultural breakdown in the African American community. Nothing new there. The point of my post is to create dialouge about the lop-sided disadvantage that our community has. This administration has to be held accountable no matter how you look at it. We pay their salaries, high taxes, and any other thing they can "Tony Saprano" us with and we recieve nothing in return. Try going to work and not doing your job and see how fast you'll be in the unemployment line. We need to do the same thing.

  • Josh. .

    @Emjay,
    Please read my comment again and don’t be in such a hurry to be so combative or go on the attack with insults.

    I SAID, {they just “might be” beyond salvation}. I did not say they “are” beyond salvation! It’s not an oxymoron to want to pray for them. Not getting all my thoughts in a single post and then adding them latter is hardly “back pedaling”.

    On a aside; it was great to see the reverend Jesse Jackson and Father Phleger today honoring another great Chicago role model, Bernie Mac. I would love to see much more of them reaching out to the African American communities inspiring our children to follow their dreams.

  • Sorry Josh but I just copy and pasted your quote...
    "Regardless of the different theories for why Mayor Daley really demolished the projects, these folks squandered a great opportunity to improve their own lives and only proved that they just might be beyond salvation". I'm not being combative. I called you on your statements. You came across as a outsider with your comments and it's obvious that i'm not the only one who thinks so.

  • Valerie F. Leonard Lawndale Community Builder and Policy Analyst

    While I believe in personal responsibility, we cannot forget that public policies contributed heavily to the human condition in public housing.

  • Tracy C domestic engineer, COO of the family

    About money from the tolls, from what I understand, it is privately owned? Am I wrong about that?

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Josh, from my vantage point we are trying to just figure out FAST steps in how to GET the service that TAXDOLLARS pay for.

    Some are too young to ask the question of how did real estate taxes go from $123 to $8,000 in bucktown in say 25 years. With that kind of revenue increase 8000/100=80 times increas in 25 years using year 1 as the index year..Can one say that with almost a 300% increase in revenue annually...the city is still bankrupt?

    Those are astounding figures of waste considering only 1/3 of the city functions in a normal economic way. 2/3rds is a dangerous jungle and the level of violence excallates everyday.

    From my vantage point it is imperative that we eliminate the WASTE at taxpayer expense and the CORRUPTION that goes along with the SWEETHEART DEALS that hold hands together. We need to ATTRACT new residents to the city who can see these ills and help correct them.

    We don't need to name call or disagree about anything as long as we can keep using a theory and improving the community. We just need to pick a "topic" that irks us...dig deep enough to find out the root mechanisms that trigger the WASTE and CORRUPTION and start chipping away.

    That way we can all work together...lockstep...and make significant improvements to the HOOD.

    SHAKMAN is still alive despite 30 years of lawsuits. Political hires are still prevalent. Sweetheart contracts are still commonplace. This results in a disincentive to work because it is not a merit based hire. This means that political hire pets oftentimes do not work at all (ghost). This means that insider contracts go to political insiders and they loose our money. The CTA lost 400mil in a commodity trade maybe 4 years ago. A pension lost 19mil a couple years ago. How did those large dollars go missing? Insider deals....which mostly involve union labor and their support.

    So...data supports that there is a systemic disinvestment of my block and neighborhood. We need to DESTROY that mechanism.

  • Something I constantly see is a lot of arguing of what the cause is and hardly ever see anyone step up and attempt to reduce the issue. In Little Village we were tired of no one doing anything so we started the Little Village Youth Forum. Its an annual event organized by youth were we have different workshops to promote non-violence. We have had four successful events and planning our fifth forum to take place this spring. Maybe we may not reduce violence in the area but we are attempting to do something about the issue rather than just sitting around.

  • Gpblight I applaud your tenacity. However there iis a time when you when you need to give in. If things are as bad as you say on your block my advice would be to move. As you say and as is evident to anyone who has spent anytime living in Chicago 2/3rds of this City have been left on their own. Enjoy the life you have left to live, move.

  • I'm not sure why everyone thinks we just sit around. We have programs just like yours Angel. If you don't find the root of the problem then everything else is a waste of time. Find the source and dismantle it. The people on this post care about the community. That's why we're on here. The bottom line is that city government has been a racket long enough at the expense of my community and yours.

  • @Tracy, my point is that the money we pay for the tolls goes straight to the roads. That money is dedicated and committed to the roads and the crony contracts that will be given out. What monies will be dedicated and committed to the CPS? None. Quinn just said the budget is falling short for the schools. It's a shame.

  • @Jerry, I wish there was a thumbs down button on your comment. Give in?!!!! EveryBlock is about solutions. Every morning I wake up means I can give it another shot. Another day, another blessing. Another chance to make a difference. What if the pioneers of the civil rights movement gave in? I'd like an answer to that if you will.

  • I think your romanticizing the Civil Rights movement. What we see in the African-American Community today in no way did Civil Rights Protesters march and die for.

    Your not going to make a difference, your going to live in vain when you could be enjoying your family and your life.

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  • Jerry, quitters need not apply to the fight for our community. It's clear that you don't understand the civil rights movement nor do you understand what's going on today. You can go through life running scared but in our neck of the woods, you have to be willing to live for something. Therefore you have to be willing to die for something. That's not called living my life in vain. It's called living life with a purpose. What's your purpose?

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Don't worry. Corruption fighters are a different breed. Perhaps 50 years of corruption in Chicago is enough and the 99 will rally so things get better.

  • Not dying for a piece of Chicago real estate that has no value. I live so my Children will have a better tomorrow and that better tomorrow is not on the West or South sides of Chicago.

    To die here in Chicago doesn't make you a Hero it make you a Statistic.

    If I have it in my means to move my Family to a better place I will. that's not quitting that is what the American Dream is all about.

  • What taxpayer funded resources should these communities get, which other communities have, that will cut down on violent crime?

  • Matthew, why doesn't the African American community have the same resources that everybody else has considering the fact that we pay taxes too? In Illinois the African American buying power this year will reach 41.8 billion dollars and we can't get resources?!!! Return the money to the community and I gaurantee you will see a significant difference.

  • Jerry, you're not part of the solution.

  • Emjay, it's an honest question. What resources are you asking for that other communities have?

  • Matthew, how many libraries do we have in our community? Wheres the jobs? Why aren't any big box stores in the community to create jobs? Wheres the school funding? After school programs? Proper police protection? Less liqour stores, abandoned buildings. Where's the farmers market? Rehabillitation centers for those released from prison. The list goes on and on. Where's the well lit and patrolled parks?

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Mat, we are asking that UNION people just merely do their jobs. That does not happen here in EGP.

    Look under the FIRE thread. You can see within blocks of each FIRES. These were 5 locations within blocks of each other in the past say 2-3 weeks. I have NEVER seen anything like this EVER in this neighborhood or the nicer parts of town.

    Under the WHAT A GREAT JOB we are doing mantra on TV nightly...stats (with serious omissions) give illusions that a good job is being done when in fact a Police Officer average arrest at a high crime district 11 is LESS than 1 person per month. This is MATHEMATICALLY impossible to say that with a 20 day work schedule...arresting less than 1 constitutes a good job.

    We want the SERVICE we pay for to be at a standard that other neighborhoods get. We don't want people to drive around and do nothing while just the simplest intervention by law enforcement would IMPROVE what is going on in EGP. My view differs in that I do not believe it is a resource problem. I believe it is a MANAGEMENT issue.

    Maybe it is a tit for tat...along the lines...u file police brutality claims against us...so we just won't actively engage much in your neighborhood gridlock. That makes sense. Because, there is no other logic as to why other neighborhoods policing is effective...but not at 11.

    We want the cronie, clout based, political hire, corruption, stuff to stop. For those who believe it CAN'T be stopped or are not WILLING to join those who want those illegal, institutionalized issues to be stopped...

    If you aren't interested in working towards those goals...Why are you here?

    We are trying to share ideas, test those theories, get better outcomes, so the lives of ALL Chicagoans can get on a better parity...

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    We had a couple of famers markets...They were well funded and died for lack of participation. It was never a good idea...just not enough...who are interested in organic and fresh food...at this time.

    There has to be a REAL consumer market before businesses like farmers' market can survive. I felt sorry for the vendors who lost $$ and wasted time.

  • Emjay: All valid questions, You should be asking your Alderman those questions. If they can't answer vote them out.

    At the end of the day you get the Government you deserve.

  • I'm glad that we are having this discussion. We need more dialouge like this. We don't always have to agree but we must agree that we need a solution.

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    What are any of you willing to give up to make things better. While I see a bunch of hand wringing and self pity, I have to ask the most basic question of all. When's the last time any of you helped the police, news agencies, or other investigative agency find these domestic terrorists in your own community? Underlying all of the layers of crap that have been piled about who's to blame for this disease which plagues our communities, there really is only ONE answer.
    WE ARE THE PROBLEM!
    We allow it to happen in about a thousand different ways, including but not all inclusive, fear, misplaced family loyalty, abdicating our community responsibility, poor parenting and discipline, etc.
    It's not unlike a dandelion, growing in your yard. They're here, will continue to be here, won't go away, and will never go away using surface solutions. Nor can we get rid of this plague of gang activity and terrorism by surface solutions either (eg. police, government, social policy, throwing $$ at the problem, vigilantism, pulling an ostrich, making it somebody else's problem..).
    Are we kidding ourselves that these violent perpetrators are NOT known to members of our community. This problem needs to be dug out at the roots, extricated from OUR neighborhoods, by ALL OF US.
    Until family members are willing to expose their own family's criminal members, refuse to harbor them, call the news or police, turn them in or provide information which will aid in their arrest and ultimate conviction; Until neighbors and witnesses who know something don't continue to turn a blind eye and come forward and rat out these vermin; Until there is no place in your neighborhood for them to hide, multiply, operate, and kill; Until the decent law abiding citizens decide that it's worth their lives to end this now, so perhaps their children can live and grow, in a safe and secure environment; UNTIL WE ROOT OUT THIS EVIL OURSELVES, no other solution will ever have any lasting effect.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    In the end Jerry...this is ALL headed YOUR WAY. The gang roundups at Kedzie/Ohio are pushing crime N,S,E, W of us.

    So....this will all be on your doorstep soon; especially if Rey is gone. He has done a great job...

    Lets hear your tune when you have to deal with all of this :-)

    What goes around comes around or some other trite snippets. Where will you go? According to the news Oak Park, Forest Park...are getting the run off.

    There are no rocks to hide under for these cultural meltdowns.

    PS one can ALWAYS opt out and move. That is what most do...demographics say so. Chicago is about 1/3 smaller than 30 or so years ago. So you are totally and absolutely right. People vote with their feet and Chicago neighborhoods can be a GHOST TOWN soon unless people step up to the plate and REINVENT the wheel.

  • Batman, have you done any of this? What you're saying is just one of the many problems that we know the community has. We're talking about our local government and how we can get them to actually work for us. Read up!

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    Every single day Emjay.

  • Inactive user

    And if you read my item carefully, you'd see that I read all of yours and I think we're throwing good money after bad for services that stand no chance of making any kind of major difference, regardless of how efficient and non-corrupt they are.

  • I'm not attached to Chicago, I will leave when it becomes untenable like many others already have.

    I don't think that will be the case,

  • Emjay, I'll ask again - what resources are you looking for from the city that your community doesn't have that others do?

    And before you get to it, big box stores, retailers, manufactures, etc. are not in business to provide employment. They're in business to make money. They will move to places where they can make money. It's not the city's responsibility to force retailers to provide jobs.

  • Matthew, why are all the entities that you just mentioned elsewhere? Again, our buying power for this year in Illinois is expected to reach 41.8 billion dollars. Believe me when I say the opportunity is there. If they don't provide employment then who will operate the businesses? It's not forcing anybody to provide jobs it's about why do you have a Target and a Walmart and we have Rothschild liqours and a so called Food Mart. Everything that works for and benefits your community is good for you but not me? Now all of a sudden resources is not part of the solution when it's about the African American community?

  • Josh. .

    Emjay,
    Again you’re quick to dismiss that cultural inconsistencies and adjustments should be our focal point. Standing by waiting for more government funds during the middle of a budget cutting frenzy is a lost cause and far from the real solution.

    Most people including government realize that investing on the south and west sides of Chicago can be a money pit. Whenever any government funds are allocated to these areas, they’re always in the form of small insignificant amounts of charity never offering any real change. Change has to come from within.
    The quicker society and the police see an honest attempt to tweak our culture striving for a better quality of life, the sooner they will engage to assist us.

  • Josh, Investing in the community is a lost cause? How would they know? The've never invested!!! I'm not dismissing the cultural problems the community has. I'm sticking to the topic at hand. Now we can start another post and talk about culture issues if you'd like.

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    The issues in communities such as Austin have nothing to do with money and resources. The problem can only be solved from within the community.

    The reality is that many people simply do not want to face facts as to why these areas have degenerated into war zones rife with gangs, illiteracy, and the like.

    Much of the issues go back to the break down of the family structure which ultimately can be tied to liberal welfare policies that encouraged single motherhood some 40 plus years ago. These issues are like two/three generations in the making.

    You cannot have a thriving community when 75% of kids are being born out of wedlock. Single motherhood is biggest causal factor when you look at poverty and crime. Does it mean that all single mothers are bad? No, but when you look at crime almost all criminals come from single mothers with no father figure.

    Poverty is nothing new. What is new is the lack of respect for one's self, desire to do better, and taking personal responsibility for your choices.

    Generations before us not only had to deal with overt and legalized racism, separate but equal schools, and all kinds of other barriers that no one under 60 years old can even remotely relate to, yet we some how were able to have nice communities, solid family structures, get our educations, and show a modicum of self respect.

    However, now that we have free public schools, cell phones, $100 sneakers, WIC cards, and all kinds of other services and luxuries that make our "poor" look rich in most other countries, the best we can hope for is our kids growing up to be in a gang?

    Sorry, I don't buy it.

  • Emjay, I'm sure the big box stores would move to Austin if they thought that it was in their best financial interests. I don't see any connection between their non-investment in Austin and why the murder rate has doubled, which is the topic at hand.

  • Hey Russ, we already know the "within the community" part. Stick to the script. The Emanuel Administration is not the answer. All these single parent and so called liberal traps is for the birds and you sound like the GOP. At what point do you hold city officials accountable? Let's see you pay someone $100k+/year and let them sit on their tail and just collect checks. That's what we're talking about here. As I told Josh, we can start another thread and talk about culture issues if you'd like.

  • Matthew A, it's good for us to go to everyone elses neighborhood and stimulate their economy but ours can't be stimulated with business? FYI I brought up big box stores because I was answering a question. Read up!

  • Matthew, I was answering your question that's why.

  • If there's so much buying power in Austin, open up a store. Simple, right? That's what businesses do. Since they aren't opening in Austin, I'm going to guess that they don't see an opportunity to make money.

    Regardless, the stores weren't there last year, and they're not there now. There's no connection with the murder rate going up 54% in a year and businesses not investing in the neighborhood.

  • Josh. .

    Emjay,
    There is an overwhelming connection between crime and culture and very much a part of this topic. You have already started a thread discussing culture issues last week in “bloody and fatal weekend” highlighting the cultural meltdown which only 6 – (six) members participated. This thread has over 60 comments from many more EB members all addressing how cultural differences is a big factor for why Chicago’s murder rate is up 53.8%. You keep mentioning how thrilled you are for constructive dialogue, well here you go… over 60 comments! I suggest you shouldn’t derail the flow of this thread just because you disagree with the direction the conversation takes us?

    Every web forum has a board hog or a control freak, Emjay, DON’T BE THAT GUY!

    FYI: Slapping negative political labels on those you disagree with to make your point will not be productive.

  • Matthew, read up. read the question YOU asked me. I answered it. That's why I brought up big box stores. What don't you understand about ALL the resources are in other communities? They have never tried to do anything for the community so how can you say that they don't see an opportunity. Is it because we're African American? You tell me.

  • Well Josh if their views are along the lines of those certain political labels then they should be called out on it because those views don't resonate with the community. When people on here are telling us to "give up" or "people are beyond salvation' or resources in the community wouldn't make a difference, I have A SERIOUS ISSUE WITH THAT! As you said last week my post was about culture. I can meet you on that post and we can talk about it. I did say I like the dialouge, however, let's stick to the script just like we did on that post. No board hogging here.

  • Inactive user

    Emjay, I just call it like I see it. Yes, liberal traps or more aptly put - unintended consequences. And by the way, I am not a GOP supporter, so you can stop with the Bush/GOP deranged syndrome.

    I drive through Austin every day and it really saddens me to see an area that from what I understand used to be a reasonably solid working class community turn into a glorified third world country. I've seen the same thing happen to areas where I am from in Atlanta. What once were thriving black working/middle class areas are basically war zones taken over by drugs, gangs, and other miscreants. No matter where you go in the country, the story is the same.

    Black culture has been corrupted and until you fix that, nothing else really matters. Continuing to throw money at it won't change a thing.

    The plight of areas like Austin have nothing to do with political graft, corruption, Rahm, or anyone else. It has to do with the people that live in the community. They have accepted that is normal to be a 35-40 year old grandmothers and celebrate it. It is ok to have two or three baby's daddies/mommies. Sports and entertainment are the way out, not education. It is ok to hustle hard in the streets, but it is acting white when you try to hustle hard in school. God forbid you snitch on someone.

    We have lost an entire generation of people to this madness.

    Until the black community stops making excuses and holds your neighbors accountable, puts shame back into being a 17 year hood rat with two kids, demands the black men better themselves, and actual utilize the vast resources we have to better our own community, nothing is going to change.

    We have billions of dollars in purchasing power yet own hardly anything. Where are the black athletes with hundred million dollar contracts? Surely they can fund a much needed grocery store.

    No one is going to step in an save our communities except us. If we won't do it, why should someone else?

  • Josh. .

    Has anyone heard of, or using radioreference.com?

    Supposedly you can hear live police scanner broadcast in your district (free of charge) or request recorded broadcast from past events with a paid subscription.

    I was thinking of registering but became concerned when they insisted I enable cookies and permit them to bypass my spam filter. It would be great to hear police activity in my area without tons of spam or malicious malware.

  • Josh. .

    For anyone interested, I just found this link to listen to the 15th and 25th districts police scanner live without registering.

    http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=653

  • Josh. .

    Please disregard my last post. That link is an archive broadcast from last April, sorry.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Guys, lets just do our part to make things better. We don't have to worry about philosophical issues. We just have to trust that we all want the same thing.

    Software rules the world. Everything we do is controlled by the software tree diagrams. Information is included or excluded. Data is valued or not valued.

    We can all get on the FAST data track by HOLDING THOSE ACCOUNTABLE who get PAID to do a job for us the taxpayers. The process of doing that will ultimately flush out the CORRUPTION so prevalent in underserved neighborhoods.

    Cleaning house is a good thing. Dismantling conventional wisdoms that DNA anymore because of the internet and misguided thinking...could fall under just ordinary modernizing.

    We want to get modern, FAST, dump those who bilk us...find NEW residents who come from any darn place in the world. If Chicagoans do not want to live here as the demographic flight indicates; we have to go statewide, national, and international to ATTRACT new PEOPLE and BUSINESS. We have FAILED in even the basic assessment of that being an important issue. We squabble about sect8, race, loyalties...and miss all the BIG systemic stuff that holds us back.

    Guys...just collect your data, publish it, keep a diary that will stand in a court of law. Someday...it will be useful if we can get our problems elevated to the CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE of today.

    Why did the government FAIL to create jobs, deliver safety, deliver education, to a neighborhood who was given the same benefits for the last 35 years as Depaul and Lincoln Park. Did our benefits migrate to those areas over the last 35 years? ABSOLUTELY.

    So...how are we going to stop that bleeding and GET what the FEDS gave to us?

    We want OUR FAIR SHARE. And, that also includes quality service from those we pay to deliver services. Enough of the smoke screens and falsehoods that get put on TV with the pretense that results are improving.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Subscribers! Please go to the CanTV link and ask a question for Ervin. The program is live tomorrow...so please post a question today for them to air. THANKS.

  • Paradox Don't loiter or litter.

    The murder rate in Chicago correlates quite well with the temperature in Chicago.

  • People; The Gravy Train has left the continent. The G is broke. Its just a matter of time before huge cuts start causing riots in the streets. Thats when we will finally start asking ourselves, "How did we let things get this bad"? The short answer is when we started rewarding irresponsible behavior.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    YES we need to get the MURDER rate down on our blocks. We are working on a new way to get adequate service in the slums...as opposed to putting up with the way things are done now.

    Go to youtube.com, East Garfield Park, Camera 398...and post your comment. We really want to know what people think.

    We are starting to get a little better attention...

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    The youtube.com video got 300 hits overnight!
    We got police service for the FIRST TIME 2 nights ago! Someone MAY have gotten ARRESTED!

    Yep, throw it out to the world...and things get BETTER.

    We had views from Turkey, Norway, Germany, Canada!

  • Its great that people are watching... but Unfortunately the people from Turkey, Norway, Germany & Canada are thinking what a
    s--- hole Chicago is.

  • Josh, although I don't question your crime stats I have to wonder why you put a link to a pro confederate blog that appears to be very racist and reeks of White supremacy? Why are you even reading blogs like that?

  • Josh. .

    Tired tired tired & Valerie

    With all due respect, don’t be silly! Of course I don’t read or subscribe to confederate white supremacy blogs and don’t really appreciate you insinuating so. When doing a quick goggle search on that day to find data to support my comment, that’s what popped up at the top of the page. I thought I made it very clear in my SPECIAL NOTE that I did not agree with the content from the article. However, if you find joy in playing and clinging to the “race card”, I suppose that is your right.

  • Valerie F. Leonard Lawndale Community Builder and Policy Analyst

    Josh, I don't know what you're referring to. I didn't mention race anywhere.

  • Josh. .

    Valerie,
    It is true “you” did not mention race anywhere. However, you did thank Tired tired tired” for mentioning race. That’s why I included you in my response to Tired tired tired.

  • Valerie F. Leonard Lawndale Community Builder and Policy Analyst

    I thanked Tired Tired Tired because she indicated that you got your information from a website that foments racism, and wondered why you would take them seriously. Tired Tired Tired also made the statement within the context of this conversation and his/her experiences on those sites. Tired Tired Tired's message resonates with me. That doesn't translate into my playing the race card. You explained your position, and that's fine.

    I will say that I visit websites where blog participants make racist remarks, including the Sun-Times and the Tribune. Like you, I continue to visit the sites and read articles and comments and sift through the content for what is useful to me. If I see something blatantly racist, sometimes I respond, sometimes I report it, sometimes I ignore it. It depends.

  • Valerie F. Leonard Lawndale Community Builder and Policy Analyst

    I don't know if Tired Tired Tired is a male or female. I apologize for referring to him/her as "she".

  • Josh,

    All I did was point out the fact that you post links to White Supremacist websites, if you see that as "playin the race card" then so be it. I didn't insuniate anything that wasn't true.

    Stating that you don't agree with every single item on the website doesn't change the fact that you directed the readers on here to a White Nationalist website. If anyone is playing the "race card" I it's the author of the racist blog you read.

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    The Superintendent and Politicians had a press release yesterday. It was aired on the evening and nighttime news. The Superintendent said ARRESTS are not the answer to our gang problems.

    They arrested 50 drug dealers (out of 80,000 ) and touted what a great job they are doing.

    This is why we have total pandemonium on the streets of Chicago and gangbangers control the streets. Nobody gets arrested/convicted. The bad guys just stay home, on everyblock. They rule the roost.

    I believe the entire US Judicial System is based on Laws. Laws have arrests and fines. So, the Superintendent is practicing the JodyW TALK THEORY...Suddenly they are sociologists instead of enforcement agency/officers.

    THIS IS TOTALLY INSANE.

    While they test that TALK THEORY...more and more are being killed and shot on the streets of Chicago EVERYWHERE in EVERYNEIGHBORHOOD and EVERYBLOCK. We are the ginnie pigs.

    We are now in the midst of a new GREAT SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. You and your kids are the test sample.

  • Josh. .

    Tired tired tired tired
    This conversation is about the murder rate again going up mostly on the south and west sides of Chicago. I have already explained that by using that particular website (perhaps in haste) to support those statistics was not my intention. Deliberately steering the conversation in the wrong direction is counterproductive.

  • Josh. .

    Gpblight,
    A large part of me agrees with you. Although I’m pleased that they interrupted these two gangs, I also read between the lines of McCarthy’s and the Mayor’s press conference yesterday and became slightly outraged. It sounds like they want us to police the streets now. What’s next, charging us a fee to respond to a 911 call?

  • If it's a way to bring in revenue then you better believe they'll charge for it. Not enough is being done to secure the streets of Chicago. According to police reports, most of the murders have been drive-bys or face to face shootings. Which means that people are DRIVING around and WALKING around with weapons DAILY!. I'm not a big fan of conceal and carry so I don't even want to open that door.

    I believe we need more cops WALKING the beat and doing more sweeps. If you think about it, how many times has a cop driven past a person who is carrying a gun and not realize it. I'm not sure about what you all have witnessed or experienced but it takes ALOT for CPD to pull you over.

  • Valerie F. Leonard Lawndale Community Builder and Policy Analyst

    This Chicago Reader article on the current state of CAPS is not very comforting. http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2012/03/29/the-mayor-doesnt-know-who-we-are

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Na nanny na na...told u so...Lets go back to being 5 in our back yards sticking our tongues out at each other.

    This is why we CAN'T continue doing the same ole same ole.

    We have to smash the glass, start all over...using the best technology tools we can muster.

    I encourge less meetings and talking...and more step by step doing.

    We may be up to 200-600 views a day on our video. We also have a COPY CAT on the same block. It's great.

    If all the other duff esses on the block would also video...maybe we could get a NEW COMMANDER who acts and walks and talks like Frank Gross...

  • Chalzy U.S. EEOC-Project Assistant/ADR

    I agree 100% and I've been saying that very thing for years, but sadly, no one is listening.

    Its not hard to imagine what the results will be for not listening!

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Sent another email to ask that CAPS at 11 be disbanded and replaced by the LAW and TECHNOLOGY departments at Aldermanic Monthly meetings. We can be a test pilot program.

    Let a Non-Police department take the orders...and the Alderman ramp up fights with COMMISSIONERS whose feet on the ground do such a horrid job over here.

    This could improve efficiency by maybe 500% the day it goes live. It could save the city budget as much as 25% in labor costs...just with this laptop move.

    The ALDERMAN is supposed to SERVE our interests. We are not supposed to be lap dogs for the CPD who wants us to do their job. They are paid well and have a good pension yet they gripe about their job. Forget this HERO stuff. They are men/women doing a job. Some a FINE JOB and some NONE AT ALL.

    Get rid of the slackers. Bring in FAST dedicated and committed officers who will HELP US. That is what they are paid to do. Everybody forgets that. AND at 40% of the city budget it is a HUGE number we pay.

  • Chalzy U.S. EEOC-Project Assistant/ADR

    Once again I agree 100%. Technology can definitely be employed to replace the slackers in the Chicago Police Department, Chicago Public Schools, Streets & San, you name it.

    These institutions would be far more efficient, effective in accomplishing their missions and their budgets & head counts could be reduced dramatically!!!!! I'm all for it!!!! Let that be a pilot program on the west side!!!

  • gpblight 15 Yr East Garfield Resident

    Some could call this a reduction bureacracy or red tape. Me, it is reducing 50 steps to 3 or 4, or 5. Yep...things can get done much FASTER with BETTER results if we just give up the concept of meeting and talking with NO ACTION.

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