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Added Feb 01 2013

Tuned in late on the scanner but it sounds like a shooting/homicide at 3945 N Central. Male victim.

  • Do we know what gangs are causing all of this? Montrose & Central? I didn't hear about that one?

  • Kitty, there's a thread on Everyblock somewhere about it. It goes on for days, but apparently the shooting was in an alley.

  • Good thing they're are no police in the portage park area. Alderman have let turn into a dump. Thanks for raising my water bill and property taxes! You guys deserve to be re elected.

  • Jim Douglas Community resident for 18 years

    Some people should just not post their comments. Water bills and taxes have nothing to do with an unfortunate murder which we still do not have many details about. Whether gang related or not a young man is dead. If I wanted to complain about water bills and taxes I would start my own thread.

  • @Jim. I respectfullt disagree with your statement. We all pay taxes, almost Highest in the nation. I feel we are not getting our monies worth in return. Its more like a slap in the face to the community. The city/county is raping us worse then a used car salesman.

  • Ruth Marie

    Rape is an insensitive metaphor.

  • John Michael Hamilton Jefferson Park Neighborhood Worker

    I agree that our taxes are high and CPD need to hiring more officers, but I don't that will change anytime soon, I would go to your local CAPS meeting and all so call when you see something, if there are more calls coming in an area then there will be more officers sent to lower the calls...

  • IMHO Been here long enough to know

    More calls to CPD just get back logged at the dispatcher's desk since there aren't enough cars available to cover every caller. And be sure to give your name when you do call because anonymous calls go to the bottom of the stack and sometimes only get read out as "calls pending in the 16th district" with no beat ever assigned.

  • kenji Find us here -->

    Are you a copper, Mike?

  • The area is changing you people don't want to believe it.

  • @mike also there has to be an officer to respond in the 1st place. Calling 911 & the aldermans office is ineffective. Ive waited 45 mins for a set of officers to show up to my neighbors garage being broken into. There are no police up here.

  • I agree with Mike. On a more macro level, the city is changing. There are very few neighborhoods that are immune to "gang" activity anymore. However, we need to stay together as a community otherwise these events will occur more frequently. I've here my whole life and I'm not letting some bangers take over my neighborhood!

  • I appreciate your balls Cindy. You've got more than many of the men now a days. The gang problem is just beginning in Portage Park. The problem with hanging in there is that all the big talkers that are going to stay and support their wonderful neighborhood Will all head for the hills. Once the blue light cameras start popping up all over the place it will be too late. Nobody will want to live here and the property values will never recover from the bubble burst. This neighborhood will go backward before it goes forward. Its a shame but i have watched it change a little more and a little more for the last 15 years. This summer will be interesting.

  • Tim

    Cindy is correct. We pay ever increasing taxes, yet get little in return. 300 more cops will be hired, but what will that do? The root of the problem is socioeconomic, and it's not going to get any better any time soon. You want to make a difference? Buy American, and stop voting for pension increases for govt workers. Pensions are killing america. Wake Up!

  • kenji Find us here -->

    Buy American?

  • IMHO Been here long enough to know

    @kenji, no I'm an iron man.

  • IMHO Been here long enough to know

    The NW side in general will continue its decline as more property owners push their housing into the section 8 market. Look at the issues around Bryn Mawr/Central/Milwaukee. Many folks can see a section 8 rental in a nice area as a real new chance in life, but enough just bring their crap lifestyle to fertile new ground. And the more police focus McWorthless and Tiny Dancer give to the inner city, the faster the hood rats will scurry to our hinterlands.

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  • I'm glad to see you agree with me mike in the park, check out the comment I had in another post titled( what's going on with the gangs by the dollar tree) I had the same response about section 8 and alderman arena seems to disagree with me dismissing these type of renters as upstanding citizens, and neighbors yes they are neighbors but it seems trouble comes into a neighborhood when a building or 2 accept section 8.

  • FYI mike in the park, the administrator of this web site just scolded me and removed a earlier posting response about section 8. It's a shame a very concerned long long time resident (like many others who feel the same like yourself) can't talk about things that affect neighborhoods. We will see if I get scolded again but I feel strongly about unfortunately now I can't say but I'm going to for the last time here (section 8). Keep posting because personally I don't see a problem with pointing out things I feel are changing our neighborhood. Don't worry administrator you won't see me mentioning those words again, but a lot of neighbors feel this way.

  • You're 100% right. I agree completely.

  • Thanks Cody

  • Josh. .

    I personally think this State, this City, does a terrible disservice to its tax payers by protecting, hiding, denying, all the social damage caused by a life-long culture of section 8 recipients totally void of any ethics.

  • Be careful josh you might get scolded, but you are 100 percent right, and another thing I love is when I'm waiting in line at the grocery store and the person in front of me whips out their link card and they are wearing nicer clothes than I am and driving a newer car than me, absolutely unbelievable. I think that should be a crime because if they can afford a nice wardrobe and drive a nicer car than me than they should not be allowed to participate in that program PERIOD

  • Gen X Chicagoan Lifetime Chicagoan NW Side

    Some laugh at the thought of listening to a scanner frequency for the district. Try it and you'd be surprised at what is going on in the neighborhood. The things the police have to respond to are huge indicators as to where our future might lie. Some real "upstanding" citizens live among us . If one does not value his or her own life, you can't depend on them valuing yours. I fully support our police and you have to remember, when seconds count, they are generally minutes away. It's the nature of the beast and it comes back to us as interested parties to help the situation. Let's see how the new 911 response rules that start today work out. If it frees up responders as they have planned, it will be a start in the right direction.
    As always, I also agree with adding more police and/or directing them to the right situations, but I do not have enough experience in that matter to speak intelligently on the subject, so I won't.

  • Know that this has been brought to lite, I think the aldermans of the 45th and 38th wards should have available where the (I'm not allowed to say but it begins with section) buildings are located.

  • BellaV 1st time Homeowner in Jefferson Park since 2012

    As someone from the current generation of young adults and homebuyers, I feel that I can make an acccurate depiction of at least ONE of the issues at hand. The current generation, mine included, have a sense of entitlement and they're only interested in instant gratification.

    One sees these "reality" shows with 16 year old brats flying on private jets, throwing $100,000 birthday parties, driving around in Bentleys, and it becomes easier and easier for them to believe that these "possesions" are not luxuries, but necessities. They're able to justify buying a $45,000 car rather than the Honda or Chevy that would be a more realistic choice. They don't blink an eye on dropping $1,000 a night getting bottle service at a nightclub, but can they pay those bills? No. Did they work their way up so that they can responsibly afford these "finer" things in life? No. They didn't. So what happens is they ruin their credit, and eventually become a burden to society. Even after they realize they cannot afford the things that they see on TV, some will continue to feed off of society while trying to maintain an "appearance".

    It's a sad generation right now, and I'm embarrassed for most of my peers. I feel sorry for them, and to be honest, I feel a little bit of resentment toward some of them. I know this was a little off topic, but I really do believe that it is part of the root of the issue at hand.

  • Ruth Marie

    I agree with you Bella, but the other generations are also guilty of this. During the housing bubble, when even very ordinary houses were going for ridiculous prices in many neighborhoods, I was thinking how many doctor-lawyer couples are out there who can afford these prices? Well it turns out people who could not afford the prices were buying anyway, often with little or nothing down and with adjustable rate mortgages.

    Then everyone and their brother thought they were real estate magnates and bought properties to flip. Taking on second and third mortgages. It is sad to say that millions of irresponsible citizens fueled the bubble and the subsequent crash (back to what the prices probably should have remained all along) and the recession. It is an instant gratification culture. No one wants a starter home that is modest; it has to declare they have arrived.

  • kenji Find us here -->

    Did someone type "aldermans" to mean the plural of alderman?

    christ on a crutch.

  • I think you get my point kenji

  • kenji Find us here -->

    But aren't you concerned? I mean it wasn't a typographical error.

  • Oh boy what is your deal.

  • Only Kenji knows how to express himself. He is our EB guru. Maybe before we post something we should run it past Kenji. Then he can be proactive instead of reactive. Lol. He's a piece of work but he's our piece of work

  • kenji Find us here -->

    @Black N White, you have a missing question mark in the middle of the statement, and you have a missing period at the end of your paragraph.

    If I had a red pen handy I could mark it up and hand it back to you.

  • Lol nice one kenji

  • True dat. Kenji. I cant see and i have fat fingers

  • TLo

    A few things about subsidized housing vouchers (aka Section 8) just for thought. Not intending to flame a fire, just facts I've learned along the way:
    - A landlord cannot deny housing to a voucher holder; they cannot consider the source of income when screening applicants.
    - It is illegal to "out" someone as being a voucher holder. Think twice before making an allegation.
    - A landlord can be sued for not renting to a voucher holder if a market rate tenant is chosen over voucher. It's difficult to prove, but it does happen.
    - Under the Choose to Own Program, a voucher can be used to pay 15 years of mortgage & taxes to allow them buy a property.
    -Almost all voucher holders are required to make some contribution to the monthly rent. Recent surveys indicate that less than 50% actually pay their portion, in violation of the program. However the rules are not enforced, so that delinquent tenant will receive Moving Papers allowing them to move to another property, with no penalties.
    - CHA rarely enforces tenant violations. I know of tenants who have been reported for having a working male living in the unit; removing smoke and carbon detectors; subletting a portion of the unit for cash; selling drugs, etc -- CHA protects the voucher older and will stop paying rent to the landlord and the tenant will remain in place for months for free.
    Public housing was meant to be temporary. There is nothing temporary about it. I know of a tenant who told her high school aged daughter to start having children so she can quickly get to 5 children, which she told me is the magic number to qualify for a house instead of an apartment. The whole system needs to be blown up!

  • So there you go alderman arena the system is broken I'm not the only one who obviously feels this way. Bite that off and chew on it. Thanks for that report Tlo.

  • Ruth Marie

    Can they still run credit checks? Regardless of source of income, deadbeats should not be rented to.

  • TLo

    Landlords can (and do) run credit reports. They are not as helpful as you might think.

  • That's why as I said earlier that we should know where the section 8 housing apts are in the 38th and 45th wards. I'm glad I brought this subject to light so we all are aware of who really rents these apts, also where do the building owners live? I'm sure it's not in the 38th or 45 wards, I'm just saying.

  • Paul Informed

    TLo, but see that is the problem to begin with. All those lists of don'ts that in turn allow criminals to take root in our neighborhoods. Should we not undo some of these laws and regulations which have proven to only empower and allow criminals free reign on our dime?

  • Paul Informed

    Also, just another truth for everyone here not privy. Not a single one of the 200 police officers moved onto the streets are going to be assigned to the 16th District. Not a one. All are going to areas where the community itself, for the most part, despise and hate law enforcement. Do not want law enforcement there and have an unreal sense of entitlement that only a major shift in their households will start to change their generation after generation of criminal downfall and destruction.

  • TLo

    @Paul - don't get me wrong, I am not at all advocating on behalf of the voucher participants. I am letting people know there are significant legal protections in place for voucher holders regarding housing issues. Landlords (and yes, I am one) are blamed & vilified for the actions of their tenants -- even when we turn tenants in to Enforcement to the Housing Choice Voucher Program. HCVs response is to stop paying rent to the landlord but they will not assist with forcing the bad tenant to move. Then, once the tenant does move (can be many months later), their voucher picks right up and they become someone else's bad tenant. I have told CHA if tenants know there are consequences to their bad actions, they may be inclined to be better tenants. So far, CHA has chosen not to enforce their rules on tenants but they do on landlords. PS I don't know that anyone has said the victim in this incident had anything do with the the Housing Choice Voucher program, have they? That would be interesting to find out.

  • Landlords can also perform the following:


    Inquiries with local, state or federal law enforcement agencies are common background checks landlords perform. Looking up sex offender registries and checking the applicant's information against those and other court records is also common.

    Prior Landlords

    A tenant's past history with other landlords is also a common check. Prospective landlords will typically call past landlords and ask about the tenant and any problems the landlord may have experienced.

    A landlord can be held liable if they knowingly let tenants commit crimes on the property such as sell drugs.

  • Paul Informed

    And hence that is one of many real effects of too much government intrusion and not enough property rights/owner freedoms.

    As for the last part of your question. All sources show that the recipient of the bullets (I will not use the word 'victim' as it is not correct for him) was a criminal gang banger that lived in that apartment complex. If anyone has info on the contrary, please share.

  • TLo

    @Victor - we definitely do criminal checks. I can assure you the people on the lease come up clean. Then they move their boyfriend, brothers & cousins in. When served with a violation notice, they will cite the ordinance that says visitors can be there for up to 30 days without notifying the landlord. We spend time trying to catch them coming in and out. They will say they moved out for a week and came back to start the clock over again. This is also a violation of the housing choice voucher program that landlords frequently try to enforce but CHA does not have the manpower or desire to enforce it.

    Prior landlords will not tell you anything. In fact if they are the current landlord, they will give the tenant a glowing reference just to get them out. I also check to make sure the kids are enrolled in school, do in-unit inspections of current housing and a bunch of other checks I don't want to talk about.

    I was with a CHA inspector in one of my properties a couple of weeks ago. The tenant removed all of the smoke & carbon detectors (when he pressed her, she pulled them out of drawers and cabinets). There were numerous pairs of men's Nike shoes (which I later found out are over $200 each) and a whole makeshift apartment in the basement. Many violations. I pointed them out. Inspector said "You got your hands full here". I called Enforcement. I dropped off Lease Termination letter. CHA said they have cut her off as of February. She has no reason to move now. If CHA doesn't pay, the tenant doesn't have to pay. She'll stay until spring, move into another unit and her voucher will start right up.

  • See what I mean alderman arena.

  • Ruth Marie

    I always thought participation in section 8 was voluntary for landlords. That is what wikipedia still says. Maybe a way to avoid the headaches is not to participate.

  • Paul Informed

    Wow.. and THAT is what needs to change. Now. Not tomorrow, but now. How can adults with any common sense not see how the system is being abused beyond the words definition?

    Thank you TLo for sharing and giving us some insight.

  • Landlords love this program they get guaranteed rent every month.

  • There are some real problems with this process. The landlords get their money but its almost as if they sell their souls for it. Yuk!!! Bigger government exemplified here.

  • I've asked this question earlier, do the people who own these buildings live in the area? I. Going to say no. How would they like to have a neighbor who is section 8.

  • TLo

    @Ruth - to an extent, it is voluntary. Again you have to be sure you can justify renting to market rate if a voucher tenant comes back and claims they were similarly qualified. BTW the way landlords get around that by going thru the motions of renting to a voucher holder then make sure the unit will not pass CHA's initial move-in inspection. It can be as simple as a globe missing from a light that causes a fail.

    I have very nice properties and performed in-depth searches to find the right tenant, subsidized or not. When a voucher holder came with a spotless background and raved about how getting out of "typical section 8 housing" will allow her kids to focus & excel in school, play outside for a change and improve their quality of life, I decided to give it a chance. You live and you learn.

  • Ruth Marie

    But if it's voluntary for a landlord, then they can blanket refuse to accept section 8, right?

  • TLo

    @Ruth - NO! In fact when voucher holders have their orientation meeting before getting "moving papers", CHA tells them if any landlord refuses them because of the voucher, they should come immediately to the Law Dept. and they will be sued. I'll look for the law, but it has to do with Federal Fair Housing Laws and not being able to discriminate based on source of income (that also means Social Security, SS Disability, military pay -- even people who work for cash as is the case in childcare, hair braiders, lawn care, etc. If they have the funds, you can't discriminate).

  • Ruth Marie

    Ah the feds allow landlords do say no but the city doesn't. I know in the suburbs landlords can say no.

  • TLo

    Discrimination Against Voucher Holders Prohibited in Chicago
    The City of Chicago Fair Housing Ordinance,1 amended in July of 1998, makes it illegal to discriminate against an individual in the housing market “because of his race, color, sex, age, religion, disability, national origin, ancestry, sexual orientation, marital status, parental status, military discharge status or source of income.” (Section 5-8-020, emphasis added.) On April 19, 1999, the Chicago Commission on Human Relations issued an order that the Ordinance’s prohibition of “source of income” discrimination covers Section 8 vouchers and certificates. Therefore, it is illegal in the City of Chicago to either refuse to accept housing vouchers or to discriminate in any way against tenants based on the fact that they are participating in the voucher program. A landlord is not required to accept a Housing Voucher applicant if he or she does not meet the landlord’s usual rental criteria. However, the rental criteria must be the same for all applicants. Thus, a landlord may refuse to rent to an applicant if the applicant has bad credit or does not have enough income, as long as the voucher payment is considered.

  • TLo

    Voucher holders often have a scant credit report as no credit has been extended to them. Market rate tenants, on the other hand, may be renters now because of a home foreclosure, job loss, cost of divorce, medical expenses, etc. Side-by-side, the voucher participant who says they have always paid cash and has no negative history looks better on paper.

  • TLo

    @Mike - I'm not sure which buildings you are referring to regarding ownership, but the properties I own are not in this ward.

  • Paul Informed

    Ruth - so then it is not worth being a property owner that rents in the city of Chicago. Another example of too much government and not enough personal freedom. So if I owned a three flat in Portage Park.. I would have to rent to a Section 8 voucher holder?

  • The best way for a politician to address section 8 is to admit that many people that are on section 8 are hard working decent people and there are some opportunities regarding some section 8 participants.

  • TLo

    @Paul - legally, yes, you would have to rent if a qualified applicant came to you. As a matter of practicality, if the unit does not pass, you CANNOT rent to a voucher holder.

  • But I was told by the theives, i mean politicians that crime is down. Then why are gang bangers running wild in every neighborhood with a pistol in his hand? Wait... I smell a rat & we're being lied to. But some folks still buy the fact chicago is safe.

  • TLo

    @Victor - I think that is how politicians do refer to Section 8. Though there are aldermen out there who do not want any more vouchers in their ward. I was working on a land sale transaction at work and we met with an alderman to discuss the planned development uses. He said flat out he would not support any subsidized housing plans, gas stations, convenience or liquor stores. He said his ward has more than it's fair share of voucher holders and he wants to attract market rate tenants and buyers. So the bolder ones will step out of their comfort zone a bit. But that ward had a much higher percentage of vouchers than anything we have around here.

  • christyr20 Northwest sider

    Cindy, something tells me you're new to the city/neighborhood. Yes, the city isn't safe. No neighborhood in the city is absolutely crime free. Robberies, assaults, domestic violence is prevalent all over. In some areas more than others. Portage park is pretty fortunate in that it is a relevantly quiet area, but over the last 5 years or so, there has been an unfortunate increase in crimes. I've gotten the same song and dance from good ol' 16th that our beat is low and they don't have enough on duty officers to reply to all the calls, especially the one where my house had been broken in to and I had to wait over an hour for someone to come and make sure my house was safe to go back into. Instead of criticizing without really knowing what is going on and who is responsible, how about you get involved. Go to the CAPS meetings. Get to know your neighbors. Go to your Ward/Alderman's office and meet them. Get to know your neighbors and call when you see something that isn't right. If there's no calls on record, how can the Alderman claim that our area is in need of more police support? It's not something that'll be fixed in a day or by attending one meeting, but instead of complaining, do something about it! Maybe the city isn't for you, although, same stuff is going on in the burbs so good luck finding an area where your taxes are managed so efficiently that there's no crime or gangs.

  • Waiting an hour for an officer when I have a burglar on the block. There is no excuse. And for the record, im much involved. But constantly fed the same crap eveytime. " were looking into the problem" "we will pass that info along" id rather sorry mam you're screwed. At least it honesty I can respect

  • kenji Find us here -->

    You called the police to say there's a burglar in your house while it was happening and the police didn't come within minutes?

    Sounds weird.

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  • Josh. .

    l guess we’ll all just have to wait until next year’s Super Bowl when he’s away from his keyboard again for a few hours.

  • kenji Find us here -->

    She had has a "burglar on her block and there's no excuse"


    What's that mean?

  • Ruth Marie

    She called and said I think there's a burglar on my block and they took an hour.

  • Thx Ruth. Ill explain in other terms so he/she can understand.

    alguien estaba entrando en la propiedad de otra persona en el bloque que vivo en

  • christyr20 Northwest sider

    Yes, over an hour wait and 3 phone calls into 911 later, they came to search in case anyone was in the house. I had come home from work and found the door kicked in and the frame messed up. My handyman had arrived with a new door before the police did. Frustrating in the moment YES! Another officer came later on to take fingerprints so we couldn't touch anything until this was done. Now we deadbolt the doors, have the windows locked and door jambs on the doors we don't use. Live and learn I suppose. And leave Kenji alone, he provides additional entertainment here on EB when people tend to take themselves a little too seriously!

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  • Ruth Marie

    Like a St. Bernard, he has been known to carry liquor.

  • D Concerned Citizen

    Oh! I have been a Landlord in Chicago for about 40 years now and have so many stories to tell about various situations in the Logan Square, Portage Park, Jefferson Park and surrounding neighborhoods. As a consequence, I have a deep sympathy for good Tenants, good Landlords and good neighbors who have to suffer from the actions of bad Tenants, bad Landlords and bad neighbors. Fortunately, the good far outweighs the bad but it is still very disconcerting to see the scales start to tip slightly more toward the bad. Also, don't expect too much help from the Police.

    With respect to the Police you have to understand that they cannot get involved in any way with Landlord-Tenant disputes. Afterall, they are instruments of the Court and must follow the rules of the Court. They can only respond to 911 calls. They cannot respond to anything else. It is a legal matter. And they only respond to low priority 911 calls if they have the time. If you have been burgled and there is no burgler present then that is a low priority call. This is especially so when we are only half way through a 10-year recession and there is a shortage of money everywhere.

    I had a Tenant once who called me late in the evening to report that someone had broken into his apartment. When asked if he had called 911 the response was no. Then I instructed him to do so.

    When I arrived at the apartment a couple of hours later I learned that the Police had come and gone leaving a report and that the Evidence Technician had just arrived to dust for fingerprints. The Police had concluded that the perpetrator had entered through the broken dining room window off the roof of the adjacent lightwell.

    I concluded that there was no burgler. But rather that their cats had been romping atop the dining room table and temporarily tipped the top of a chair into the window and broke it. The glass was broken from the inside out and the storm window was down and nothing was stolen.

  • D Concerned Citizen

    Just so you understand why the entire Northwest Side and, in fact, the entire City of Chicago has Section 8 Tenants is due to the result of a lawsuit filed in Federal Court a dozen or so years ago. The CHA had been perpetrating rampant racial discrimination. Consequently, the CHA was taken over by the Feds for about 5 years. During this time a quota system was implemented, numerous CHA high rises and low rises were demolished and a policy of scattered site housing and tenant vouchers was implemented.

    The intent was to elimimate concentrated public housing. Section 8 tenants now receive a day of training in the hopes of making them successful tenants and even prospective homeowners. No longer does a Landlord have to bring an entire building up to Section 8 standards but only the subject apartment and the public spaces.

    Although there are entire scattered site buildings that are Section 8 these represent a small percentage of the Section 8 tenants. Most are acattered throughout the rental market. And most are not only good tenants but good neighbors.

    And yes, Section 8 tenants are now main-streamed. That means they are treated like any other tenant and can even be evicted the same: through the due process of law in the Cook County Courts. It is not any more difficult to either accept, evict or relet a Section 8 tenant than a non-Section 8 tenant.

    As far as rules go, for example, if you have a 1 bedroom apartment it is imperative that you inform all prospective tenants that you cannot rent to them if there are more than 3 tenants. Likewise, you cannot rent a second floor apartment to a person or person(s) that cannot negotiate stairs in a normal fashion , of course, you have an elevator. And so on.

  • D Concerned Citizen

    In response to Mike in Jeff Park. There exists a misconception about whether you should give your name when you make a 911 call. The fact is, it does not matter in terms of the Police whether you give your name or not. Unless, of course, you are calling 911 to make some sort of a threat.

    The 911 system employs a very sophisticated caller ID which not only identifies the phone number of the caller but the registration information of the phone itself. It also has a recording of the call which is kept for 30 days to allow for investigations by the Police as well as officers of the Court (lawyers, judges, etc). The system also knows the location of the call whether it is from a landline or a cellular device. The officer on the street is not privy to any of this information. Only a Sargeant or above can request to have it if necessary.

    Named calls are not handled any different than anonymous calls. All calls of the same priority are handles in the same manner. However, if you think you can get away with making an anonymous prank or threatening 911 call you had better revise your thinking. Chances are very good that you will be arrested and prosecuted.

    Both 911 and 311 calls are designed to remain anonymous. The only reason a call-taker asks if you want to be anonymous or that if you want to give your name is so that you will definitely remain anonymous. Giving your name clearly does not expedite the call in any way. Nor is it to your advantage to give your name unless, of course, you are the Mayor, the Chief of Police, a Detective, the Alderman or some other person of high importance to the system. It is better that the rest of us, the 99.9999 % remain anonymous.

    And it is for that reason I feel that it is very important that if you choose to attend a CAPS meeting that you work hard at being anonymous. A friend of a gangbanger may be in the audience. It is far better to make anonymous calls to 911 and 311 or to meet with the Police in private.

  • TLo

    D- I agree there are good and bad HCV tenants. I don't agree that the management of voucher tenants is the same as market rate tenants. For example, if a voucher tenant does not want to pay their tenant portion, they can call CHA for an emergency repair inspection, during which time they can show the front door lock is broken (they break it), a window is broken (ditto), the oven doesn't work (coated in grease) or the smoke detectors are missing (they were clearly there or the unit would have never passed initial inspection). CHA writes up the violations and certain ones - if not corrected in 24 hours- result in abatement. CHA doesn't care if they are tenant or landlord violations, from their perspective, it just needs to be fixed. Once in abatement, tenants are not required to pay their portion. Market rate tenants don't have this avenue available to them. Evictions are a double-edged sword for both subsidized or market rate tenants: The court case will show up on their credit report, making it almost impossible for them to get approved by another landlord. So they remain in your unit for free and you know you will never collect on the judgment you paid to have entered. If CHA was fair, they would require the voucher holder to pay their past obligations per the HAP before allowing them to use the voucher at their next unit. They don't.

  • Wow I'm not take notice people, do you still want section8 in your neighborhood

  • Ruth Marie


  • IMHO Been here long enough to know

    @D I will just say listening to scanner calls since the days of crystal tuners, a beat car pulls up on a call that's dispatched, doesn't see a complainant, conversation goes like this: PO: "Squad, nobody is here and no answer at the door, got a complainant?"
    Squad (aka dispatcher): "Your friend anonymous"
    PO: "19 Paul" (unfounded)

    Routine anonymously listed disturbance calls have a longer dispatch time limit than calls such as domestic disturbances, assaults and several others. All the inbound calls go up on a board at OEMC and they "age". If a call is not dispatched prior to its time limit the dispatcher has to get it out. And a typical "gang of punks" disturbance call can literally age for more than 2 hours. It's not that bad yet in 16, but down in the 6th or 3rd district most any weekend night can backlog for hours. But residents there know now to say they might have overheard that one of them had a gun or one of them keeps holding his side and up the priority chain it goes.

    And remember, for every one officer Rahmfather reassigns somewhere, 1 retires. Actually that ratio is just slightly above 1.

  • These problems are not just isolated to Portage Park, they're city-wide. In my opinion, police do an excellent job considering the elements and people they deal with. I just hope Chicago isn't on the same path as Detroit.

  • D Concerned Citizen

    Mike in Jeff Park. Mike, again that is not true. If the complaint was one of high priority, the Police would not have spoken to the dispatcher in that manner. They would have requested the identity of the caller.

    And actually, they may have but you will never know because confidential information is not transmitted over the airwaves for others to decipher or know of. Rather, there is another aspect to current Police communications that became operation with the opening of the City's 911 Center in the mid-90's. And that is the most important or sensitive communications are transmitted via the new fiber optic network to the Officer in the squad or wherever there is access to the computer either in the car or with the Officer's laptop. This protects the confidentiality of all parties concerned and does not allow either concerned citizens with scanners or perpetrators to know anything other than what is transmitted over the air.

    Also, your perception of the call board is not accurate. Yes, the calls do go up on a board so to speak. Actually, it goes up on one of the three computer screens at the calltakers console as well as the dispather's console and the supervisor's console(s). All of the calls are dispatched immediately.

    But the Officers respond to the higher priority calls first and only if they have time do they respond to the lower priority calls. Sometimes the dispatcher will transfer the calls to another Officer if available and no other higher priority calls need to be addressed.

  • TLo

    I used to occasionally listen to the web feed of the police scanner when the zone could be isolated. I was surprised the dispatch would read and repeat the name and address or phone number of the complaintant over the radio. I assumed that's why so many called in as anonymous. Also officers would call in drivers license info over the radio to have dispatch check for warrants. The computers in police cars have a high failure rate. Radio is still primary method of communication.

  • D Concerned Citizen

    Well, TLo, please know that the Chicago Police have the finest radio and computer equipment made. It is not junk. It is military grade and can withstand a lot of abuse.

    At first there were a lot of Officers who deliberately sabotaged the equipment for one reason or another. They often did not have computer savvy and resented being forced to use the computer. Naturally, if you dropped a laptop or even a radio from a third floor window it would break. If you stepped on a laptop screen it would break. And so on. But here we are 20 years later and most Officers would not be without a portable computer.

    The radio is still the primary or initial method of communication. But the computer is also a primary method of communication and of the utmost importance. It allows the detectives, for instance, to do backround checks virtually instantaneously at the moment on the street without using the radio and without having to return with the suspect to the station. The computer saves an inordinate amount of time and allows the Officers to perform a lot more work in far less time.

    The use of the computer also protects the information of the victim, the offender and the caller. Thus, it is not appropriate for Officers to transmit confidential information over the radio that can be intercepted by anyone using a scanner. Imagine a gang-banger learning from the Police radio that you are the one complaining about their illicit activities.

    The reason people call in anonymously is because they are guaranteed by the City of Chicago that their calls will always be anonymous. If Police officers and dispatchers are discussing critical and confidential information over the radio such as you have witnessed then there is no honor to the system. Don't you agree? And remember, we are all innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. And none of use deserve to be intimidated by anyone as a result of confidential information falling into the wrong hands.

  • IMHO Been here long enough to know

    @D in my literal thousands of hours over the years tuned into Zone 1 I can assure you I regularly hear names, addresses, phone numbers, state ID numbers, DL numbers, SS numbers complete with a "name check" DOB. And if you give your name and the responding PO can't find you there is an odds on chance the dispatcher may read out the complainant's name. Yes they use the PDT's and that is almost exclusively relegated to "vice" complaints where they won't read those addresses over the airwaves and those almost always go to a "gang or Tac unit in 16.". I even hear them give out door codes to access apartment buildings. And I won't detail where you can even pick up undercover surveillance chatter, completely legally. The vast majority of calls are read out over the air. Nitty gritty details of some calls are "sent to your box".

    As for the OEMC I have trained there as well as the 311 center. If the wheels ever fly off in a bad way I might be called for overflow duty.

    And I'm sitting here now listening to MJ on the dispatch console for Zone 1 just like she has done on the night shift for more years than I can remember.

    And if CPD had a top notch radio system they would be running an APCO 25 system with full interoperability capability with CFD and the ISP. But it still runs on an old VHF repeater system. Durable for sure, but no different than the 70's.

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    Oh my, Mike is hooked up.

    Geek man.

    Loving it.

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