I'm not sure what's going on, but I was on a northbound Red Line train about an hour ago, and there were several police officers on the roof of one of the buildings (maybe Beck's bookstore) adjacent to the Wilson station. Very curious about what's up!
On the other hand, I just drove thru that neighborhood, stopped at Dominick's for a couple of items, then on up Broadway to Evanston and didn't see anything out of the ordinary. So - waiting for the news to provide an update.
I was wondering if anyone else has problems with getting anything done in the neighborhood. I've been calling his office since May about a light out in my alley, and now the one in from is out also. Every time I call, they say the same thing, "We will add it to the list". I haven't seen the man do much but get cut ribbon in the neighborhood
The police 'copter range expaned. I walked north east from Wilson/Ashland to Broadway/Lawrence to the post office. The helicopter was circling south of me when I entered the post office, was above me when I exited, and was slightly north of me ( at 5100 N) by the time I got home. Now I hear one north of me, but am not sure if it's a police or news helicopter.
Gangland last week that led into the weekend, and armed fugitives with Chicago SWAT to kick off this week. All just down the road from my home. Arming myself is starting to sound REALLY good right about now.
The police have on man in custody and the other one or two will not come out and are armed. The purple like is running and there are shuttle buses. The swat team is there but the man or men told the police they are not coming out. Police do not know what kind of ammunition they have all they know is they are armed.
As long as the police have swarmed the area and the swat team is there no one is going to get injured. Its better not to stand around and read it on the news instead. Who knows if there are shots fired someone standing there could get hit. I understand they are in a building on Leland and Broadway.
The police have barricades around the area and the suspects are in a building located at 4639 N. Broadway. I haven't heard any change yet and I have WGN news on. No shots have been fired. In the beginning there was suppose to be one suspect in the building but now the police think there are more than one. The police stated it is not a hostage situation.
While this situation was going on a woman in her 30's was stabbed to death in the 7700 block of Noth Sheridan Road at about 6:30pm Rogers Park. There are not details if they found her outside or in an apaartment.
This is the news so far from my cell phone. The ATF and Chicago Police are dealing with this situation and arre armed with heavy armor and assault rifles. These people have been spotted in the Uptown neighborhood. The Red and Purple lines are shut down. Only shuttle buses are running. They are trying to neogiate a safe surrender of those held up inside the building.
Mariann - I hope that my sources are better than yours, but who knows? I guess we'll find out soon enough. What I'm hearing on Channel 5 is that one man is in custody, others are or were barricaded in a building. NOT a hostage situation.
I remember a similar situation when I lived on W 61st Place, but there was at least one hostage involved. I had gone to the store and when I came back the street was blocked off and the police weren't going to let me go in my house on the corner. They finally let me go in the back way. I remember watching out the windows of the enclosed front porch and the police had to keep yelling at people on the other side of the street to get inside as they kept coming out to see what was happening. One guy came out and sat on his porch with a bowl of popcorn!
I'd far rather be inconvenienced than dead. There is no way to know how an armed gunman, or in this case plural, are going to react to a situation. It is best to try to remove the innocent from the incident as quickly and safely as possible. When you live in the city, that means public transit disruptions, buildings off limits, streets shut down, etc.
Had someone, completely innocent in this, been harmed, what would your post have looked like? Hindsight is 20/20.
First off, I didn't word my comment as carefully as I should have. I was moreso wondering aloud if the response was heavy handed. I was reading about swat tanks and all that. At this point we don't know a lot of things, even whether or not they had guns. We just know they were barricaded. I believe in being cautious, but rational also. Maybe it's justified, but nothing I have read so far has justified the response that it got. It certainly wouldn't be the first time the Chicago police have overreacted.
Well it was known pretty early on that ATF was involved too, so assuming guns wasn't far fetched and accurate. Not to mention there is an army surplus store right there. They may not have guns, but plenty of knives and other weapons.
The other times I have seen the police in this area react like that were 2 bomb threats where they had to call out the bomb squad and a police shoot out and chase that followed a triple murder.
Personally, I'd prefer to get my thrill seeking satisfied in other ways then walking into an active crime. I've been shot at enough for one life time.
One of my coworkers lives right there as well. She wasn't sure how she was getting home tonight.
I'm not sure how this could be positioned as "heavy handed'- the police and ATF did everything they could to make sure that civilians were safe and that the suspects were captured. The fact that it ended peacefully, in my opinion, proves that the response was appropriate. Had the suspects felt they had a chance to fight their way out, who knows what might have happened?
I just hope the judge takes into account how inconvenienced much of the city of Chicago was when she/he sentences these people. It is not the police's fault the Red Line was shut down and the block was barricaded; blame the suspects. A very big thank you to all responders who kept Chicagoans safe last night; it was a scary situation with the best possible ending.
Anthony C.Recent SF transplant, filmmaker, animator
It's kind of funny how the public's subconscious, insatiable appetite for violence and tragedy is actually bringing the handling of the situation into question by even one person. Unreal. If it had gone the other way, I think we all know how outraged the very same people would be.
Jesse, be thankful these people weren't holed up in your buidling. I think you might feel differently if they had been. I don't think there was an over-reaction at all! Not one of these criminals got away or grabbed a hostage or killed anyone. I don't live in that area, but hearing what goes on there, kudos to the police for doing all they did!
OK, didn't mean to outrage everyone! I'm just saying, it wasn't a hostage situation, and so far we don't even know if they had guns. And there was nothing to suggest that they were murderers. You can't go responding like they did yesterday to everybody who runs from the police. The police may have may have been justified, but the fact that nothing happened doesn't mean the police were justified in their response. I don't think it's out of line to question the response. In fact, one could argue that the police were lucky that their response didn't trigger something far worse. Perhaps the guys only wanted to get away.
Jesse, you can question, but with the details now coming out, yes the police were appropriate in responding the way they did. Nothing happened because of that response. Leave it at that. They knew what they were doing.
The ART generally doesn't set up a taskforce for someone trying to just get away. CPD had been made aware that these guys in Chicago before they tried to even bring them in. They know who these men are, not like they were dealing with random people. Just because they didn't give every detail to the media doesn't mean they didn't know what was going on with this who thing.
You asked if we thought it was justified? A little deductive reasoning with what was know yesterday, yes it was justified.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that the response was at least a little heavy. Shutting down the el was not necessary. This is the same city force that has never acknowledged wrongdoing in its execution of Fred Hampton. Sorry if I don't trust its response.
I have to guess then Jesse, given your absolute knowledge about the situation, that you know that the cops, ATF, etc. knew exactly what armament the fugitive(s) had, knew their capabilites and intententions, had calculated tragectories and therefore knew that had a gunbattle ensued, no bullets would impact any riders on a passing train.
Brad, given how closely you have paid attention to what I said, you should know I never claimed to know what was going on. The point is, since you can't seem to understand it, that not knowing the seriousness of a given situation is not justification for a response of this magnitude. I don't care how you look at it, you can't go shutting down public transportation becuz someone has barricaded themselves.
I read the incident on the internet on my cell phone. They did not have to stop the purple line from running. The purple line stops at Belmont then keeps going. Belmont is far from Wilson. There was three suspects in the building at 4639 N. Broadway and another one was going to his car when he got arrested. That suspect is wanted in Indiana. There was no gun battle and no one was injured. The three suspects finally surrended. The Sheridan bus could have still ran its course. The Red Line could have continued to Argyle. Then the people could have rode the Sheridan Bus back to Wilson. I don't know who decided to shut down the train system causing a prolem with riders. These suspects were in a building not on the train platform.
Meg in Uptown. There was nothing to be afraid about. The police surrounded the Wilson station and I don't know why. These suspects were in a building not on the "L" platform. They also had the Swat Team. If people were that afraid why were they standing around? There was no shooting and if there was it would come from the building not the train platform. And the police were ready for it. Uptown is not a good neighborhood and I would never rent an apartment there. Especially Wilson and Broadway or Sheridan and Wilson. I am aware of the druggers standing around or loafing at McDonald's. Many of them trying to sell their Link cards which they should not have.
Reasonable minds may differ, and I prefer "better safe than sorry" as a police approach, especially when there are weapons involved. I know that I am not privy to many many details about what happened last night. I am glad that the Chicago Police were successful in apprehending the suspects and that there were no injuries. I am not aware of any civil rights being violated - just a whole lot of inconvenience for residents and commuters. I'm asking myself, if I were on the platform at Belmont and was asked "would you like to get on the train and ride up to Howard, and by the way, there are armed fugitives holed up in a building along the way, and there could be a gun battle" I don't know - I think I'd say that I could wait, or walk, or take a cab, or call someone. I'm not positive, part of me likes to think I'm Calamity Jane. But the mom with 3 kids that I really am says don't go there...
Thanks ladies. Honestly, if I were a passenger in a train, I would want to know that a building that butts up to the rails is housing wanted fugitives that are currently the objects of police action. Therefore, probably making those criminals a little less than give a damn about the outcome.
This incident is not a reflection on Uptown as a neighborhood (how often do things like this happen in ANY neighborhood?). Uptown has its share of criminal activity, just like any diverse neighborhood, but I like living here, and the vast majority of residents are good people. Why hate on Uptown because of this?
I agree, wholeheartedly, Jeffrey. Thankfully, things turned out without incident, but the emergency managers have to consider a "what if" and that was, obviously a concern. I'm not privvy to what the specialists knew, but obviously, they feared guns. Rightfully so. What if it had involved explosives, too? And a train track...
While it may look over the top now, that things were resolved "peacefully", as a citizen of this city and on the edge of this community, I've not an issue with what I've been told so far.
Thank you, CPD and CFD for putting your lives on the line for me, the common citizen.
Mariann-- I'm not sure if you are just trying to play devil's advocate or if you are woefully uninformed. Here's what you're missing.
The worst case scenario is that the people barricaded in the building had sniper rifles or long range guns (and they did have a rifle with a scope), and that if they couldn't take hostages to negotiate their exit, they might consider shooting at the trains. Would you like to be on a train going past Wilson while some desperate fugitives shot at you?
Also I would like to note that the suspect in question was not from Uptown. Not only have I rented in Uptown, I now own a place here, and I love it. But Uptown has its issues, and I for one consider fugitives barricaded into an apartment structure to be a scary situation.
As I mentioned before, I'm very thankful that the authorities took great pains to make sure that everyone was safe. I'm not located super close to Wilson, but I'm still glad that everyone in the area is okay.
One other thing to consider about the El runs being stopped. The El is a very loud entity. What if the police made a mistake and started shooting because of what they thought they heard from the building that was acutally from the train? In a tense situation like this one, all senses (sight and hearing) have to be able to work in its best possible form. Distractions of sight and sound produced from the train could have made this turn out completely different.
I lived in Columbus, OH when snipers sat on a highway overpass, picking off random drivers, and shot at people filling up their gas tanks. This stuff is odd and thankfully uncommon, but it happens. I agree it would make a good movie plot line- and I'd much rather watch it in the theater than on the nightly news! :)