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Added Apr 09 2012

I went to cover over some graffiti this am by Sidecar's Alley. Took 2 minutes. Pretty Easy. I was disturbed to see some of B1E's artwork besmirched with Graffiti and then a couple of blank pieces of White cardboard/canvas just covered in Graffiti. That corner Farwell and Glenwood has been a problem area lately, you can tell by the sheer volume of graffiti there. I think B1E needs to fix its artwork so that its not covered in Graffiti and get rid of the ugly Occupy Rogers Park pieces that are just covered in Graffiti.

Sure we can argue about first amendment rights. Its his right to do it. Its seems counter to what he is doing there however. The sculpture garden is pretty cool and its on google maps. And overall B1E has been a very positive influence on that area. But they shouldnt be tolerating that graffiti. It only serves a purpose to mark someones territory, its gang graffiti which is ugly and its not there just to admire. Its there to say this is mine.

I am talking about the paintings and canvases that line his fence on glenwood. I am glad that he took the paper off the giant fish skeleton, hopefully he will do something cool with that as well.

  • Inactive user

    The gang has obviously decided to use farwell and the west side of glenwood as their new base of operations. Are they intimidating the local businesses into tolerating their presence. Thats what got me worried. Is the gang threatening B1E? Its just not okay. All graffiti has been covered up that I could. But the rest is up to the businesses there.

    What is the point of making the mailbox building look cool and everything if the tagging on his artwork there is just tolerated? The gangs are forcing themselves onto the art gallery. Thats kindof funny isnt it? A gang hanging out by an art gallery. Rogers Park is changing!!! No more room for gangs.....

    Its the Glenwood Arts district. Not the Glenwood Gang district, right?

  • Bruce Mayberry, Roger Parkansas

    The folks at B1E have been an asset to this community. If they are being targeted by graffiti then we should rally to help clean and remove the graffiti. Time permitting I will swing by to help this week. The leaders at B1E have always been open to community involvement and I would love to help them remove and clean the tagging. Often a flurry of tagging and gang graffiti is a demonstration of changing turf and is predicated by a flurry of shootings and fighting. Also the Lifeline theatre is near that intersection and is a long established RP jewel. Lets show our pride and support and help retain citizen control of these areas.

  • Inactive user

    I agree Bruce. All the tagging has been removed or covered over by yours truly. Right now however the rest of the tagging is just on the fence where the Occupy RP posters are and his artwork. Personally if it was me I would throw out the Occupy RP posters because I think that has run its course. Gangbangers attesting to their solidarity for the 99 percent is not what I think B1E had in mind when he put those up. The artwork should be redone or thrown out as well.

    The tagging was super heavy on the dumpsters and trash area by lifeline and sidecar alley and also behind and all around the seven eleven and the building just north of the seven eleven. That situation has been handled. Now its just B1E that still has gang tagging all over its stuff on the fence.

    We all have to show solidarity that we are not okay with the gang hanging out anywhere, especially in the glenwood arts district east side or west side of the tracks.

  • Inactive user

    4/9/12 Later in the day......

    I just called up the B1e guy and talked with him (nicely) :).
    He calls them tag boards, he used them to allow the artists to express themselves on those boards. I just finished talking with him just now. So maybe some of the excessive tagging was
    "artistic" expression, but Im pretty certain that some of it is gang related. He says the gangs use spray paint and the artists use
    silver pens and pens in general.

    He just had a graffiti show. And some of the taggers got a little
    overexuberant. He says he will be taking down those graffiti boards
    very soon.

  • I liked the tag boards. I walk past them at least twice a day. I wasn't running in fear of gangs, just appreciating the art.

  • Eric Kerl rogers park

    sorry, this is patently ridiculous. "gangbangers attesting to their solidarity".. lol
    you clearly have no understanding of graffiti culture, urban art, or gangs. Not all tags are from gang members. In fact, the vast majority of tags around RP are most definitely NOT gang-related. Those tags were doing by occupy activists, not "gangbangers."

    If anything, they should be understood as one of the four elements of hip-hop that have helped to shape much of contemporary urban art styles (just as one of the other elements [break-dancing] has helped to shape contemporary dance). get over your gang paranoia.

  • Inactive user

    Yes Eric Kerl I know its ridiculous :). Personally I dont think it was the smartest thing to be having a show in. We have enough bad graffiti and crime in Rogers Park. I think some other tonier neighborhood could do something edgy like this. There was an awful lot of extra graffiti that was gang related in the alley to the north and to the south in this area. We actually NEED A BREAK FROM GRAFFITI !!!! :)

    Gang paranoia, phew... Well I will get over that when they stop trying to hang around my neighborhood and Morse. We have had a years (5 atleast) long battle to get them off of Morse and Wayne.
    We battled to get them off of my very corner, so yeah I am a bit shellshocked when it comes to this stuff. After the shots stop being fired between the GDs of Morse and Howard and the Latin Kings, then maybe we can get all lovey dovey over "graffiti", until then I take a zero tolerance stance against it.

    Chicago has one of the largest gang problems in the nation.
    Rogers Park still hasnt been able to rid itself of its gangs, but it is getting alot better and the sun is shining more and more and the TYRANNY of the gangs is finally loosening its grip on Rogers Park, slowly....

    Dont get me wrong, I like some graffit, (PIECES), that stuff that actually takes a little bit of time. But with the shootings and what not Im not tolerating any graffiti around me so that I can have a buffer between me and the violence. This also isnt the 70s/80s when the cities went to pot. I think there is less and less of a place for graffiti in Rogers Park, its not the hood.

  • Inactive user

    Style Wars, that would be an interesting documentary of graffiti from the old days to watch. These days I just want the gangs to stop shooting at each other and stop trying to intimidate everyone and stop trying to control the neigbhorhood.

  • Inactive user

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETRa_tx9c2w

    Nice big pieces are interesting. So quaint to see this now. Street lingo seemed so regular and natural then, nowadays I guess Im old but it doesnt sound very good, the music either or the graffit for the most part.

  • jo p. lake lover

    Many of the pieces are playful & fun in passing but I was really taken back by the graffiti boards - ugly & disturbing to me. Have appreciated films about the well-known "tag artists" but this doesn't match for me. I've talked with Andy - admired his fish (I know they're not popular with everyone) - that's art for you - pick your poison!

  • Inactive user

    Well 4/12/12 Andy insists on keeping up the "artwork" which is encouraging local graffiti to flourish on Glenwood. He refuses to take it down. Fine, great way to defend the first amendment.

    Andy says graffiti was there before anyways. However we have been fighting for its removal of this area for years. So looks like he doesnt care. This is ugly stuff. He said he would take it down be hasnt. Its extremely naive to think you can contain

    I have had to remove and cover over more graffiti in the area, especially on Glenwood. Is this what we had in mind when we creating the Glenwood arts district? Is is really realistic to believe that "graffiti artists" or "taggers" or whatever will only tag a sanctioned area and then there will be NO SPILLOVER ANYWHERE? Very Naive, but then again Andy's response ofcourse is "graffiti was around here before anyways".

    Yes there is always an excuse and reason why someone has done what they have done. There always is, I didnt expect to change his mind. I have talked to Lifeline Theatre (their door was tagged with Pope, I guess the pope lives around here) and Schmerhorn (?spelling) managment, which was the building that was super tagged up along with the light poles and dumpsters.

    ROGERS PARK DOESNT NEED MORE GRAFFITI, it needs less.
    Lets let B1E know what we think about their pro graffiti movement

  • I like the art. And putting artwork in quotes does not strengthen your argument. I am not encouraged to tag anything because of his current display. Just like displays of crosses and religious images don't encourage me to worship. He is not causing any tagging with his display. I hope he leaves it up as long as he intended initially. It's not a 1st amendment issue, because the government isn't trying to censor him. It is an issue of artistic integrity, though. Some people, like you, won't like this piece, while others, like me, will like it. That's the risk artists take and they must deal with the complaints.

  • Eric Kerl rogers park

    i love B1E and rogers park graffiti. RP is a diverse, urban neighborhood; graffiti writers, artists, and activists come with the territory and contribute to a creative, lively place to call home.

    Besides, there are vastly more important issues to work on in our neighborhood (mental health services for people in need!, racial profiling of young people, affordable housing, public transportation improvement [the El train overpasses are literally crumbling!], street repairs, etc etc..)

    people have been writing on walls since the dawn of humanity - it's the least of our worries.

  • Inactive user

    I disagree Eric Kerl, you are deadwrong, Rogers Park is not a great place for graffiti. Lets start with the basics, respect your community and dont write all over it. If you dont respect your community how are we going to do as a community?

    Its not the least of our worries Eric, Gangs put up graffiti, and graffiti begets graffiti. Gang graffiti/tagging by crews etc, makes the area look like crap. Science Journal 2008 has an article on it, they have done experiments and areas with increased graffiti have increased crime and litter. I guess I will have to post that info up again. Rogers Park will NEVER TURN THE CORNER on crime if there are legitimate businesses here that are condoning and encouraging graffiti.

    I guess it is the Glenwood Gang/Graffiti Arts district, atleast it is now. Eric Kerl, if Graffiti is the least of our problems then why does the city officially have the GRAFFITI BLASTERS? Why are we encouraged to call in graffiti to 311 and take pictures of it and send them to police? Why are graffiti saturated areas beset with so much crime? Because tolerance of graffiti says loud and clear, no one cares.

    I have talked with the Aldermans office about this as well. I dont feel safe with a business so close to me PROMOTING GRAFFITI. Lets get it down. Why are we talking about Occupy Rogers Park? Didnt that whole movement happen awhile ago. And how is tagging related to the Occupy movement anyways? Very confusing. Very Naive to believe that graffiti sanctioned area will be the only spot hit with graffiti when you allow the general public
    to hit is with graffiti. VERY NAIVE.

    B1E has done SOME good work. One of their sculptures was becoming unsafe on Morse and I put it in the Podiatry office garbage zone under the EL atleast a month ago because the rebar was coming apart and in general the sculpture was becoming corroded and not looking nice.

  • Inactive user

    Rebecca said "I like the art. And putting artwork in quotes does not strengthen your argument. I am not encouraged to tag anything because of his current display. "

    I will agree with you Rebeccas that putting artwork in quotes does not strenghten my arguement, BUT just because YOU arent encouraged to tag anything, doesnt mean that the people who actually do the tagging arent encouraged to tag more stuff around there. I have had to cover up tagging on the BRANDNEW mailbox at Farwell and Glenwood and on the BRANDNEW lightpoles.

    How about a break from graffiti?. We dont need more Graffiti in RP, we need LESS.

    It becomes a public safety issue. I have let the Aldermans office know about it, that a business is encouraging the spread of graffiti throughout the glenwood arts district and beyond. Its not safe.

    STYLE WARS. Have you guys watched it? Thats cool graffiti, in the old days, today its just ugly tagging. Thats progress?

    I dont like the graffiti tagging there because I am forced to clean up the increased tagging in the area.

  • Jeff, is the MCA promoting graffiti right now? They have Keith Haring items on display in their windows. He began as a graffiti artist.

  • Inactive user

    Okay Rebecca get Banksy over here to start putting up some cool stuff, right now the stuff is gang graffiti and really ugly tags.
    None of this stuff is on part with Keith Haring, this also isnt the down and out 70s/80s when the cities went to pot.
    None of this is the cool stuff that Shepard Fairey did either.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_Fairey
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy
    http://www.b12partners.net/wp/2011/03/21/chicago-graffiti-among-worlds-best/

    I hardly think any of these taggers are going to be the next keith haring. I do agree that occasionally cool stuff goes up, but writing your illegible name all over lightpoles and mailboxes and people's doors and buildings is just blight. Where are the graffiti pictures? Where is the art? Its just scribbling.

  • I'm against vandalism, but your opinion of whether art that isn't vandalism is ugly or cool is irrelevant. It's art, so opinions on it will be all over the board. It sounds like your real issue is that the graffiti at his gallery doesn't meet your standard of cool. And that the tagging, regardless of where it's done, isn't art, it's just blight. You're equating two things together that aren't causative, they may not even be correlated.

    You suggested that his gallery hanging graffiti as art was encouraging graffiti in the neighborhood. If that theory is true, then the MCA promoting Keith Haring would encourage graffiti in Streeterville. It would have no bearing on the quality of said vandalism.

    If you don't like his art, avoid his gallery for a month. He changes it frequently. Maybe not frequently enough for you, but it's his gallery.

  • Inactive user

    So everything is art then Rebecca. Throwing trash on the street is just an impromptu art installation taking a closer look at the materials we have at our disposal for causing chaos. Its a ground breaking new look at how our society provides the means for its own downfall and blight.

    That doesnt make sense Rebecca, Keith Haring did graffiti before he did canvases, hilarious. Wrong analogy by far. The MCA is not showing works of graffiti/vandalism. Street art more like it.

    Look at google image for keith haring graffiti, they all look like murals. https://www.google.com/search?q=keith+haring+graffiti&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=uRaHT8OVOOiC8AHYjsWUCA&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1619&bih=762

    ANyways its a hilarious discussion rebecca, it always is when someone can't see the distinction between art and vandalism.
    Its all street art = graffiti = everything for you then Rebecca.
    Its unsanctioned unwanted scribbling. I dont see this wonderful art form of street vandalism bringing the serious art critics up here to Rogers Park. I just see that it makes the gangs and graffiti bombers feel at home though. So Rebecca consequently please dont complain about crime in areas with your artwork up on the wall.

    Everyone is an amazing artist and everything they scribble on any surface is a priceless amazing work of art that must be cherished for all time. How dare we ever force our own value system onto anything?

  • Inactive user

    http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=159335&print=1

    We arent talking even about this, (pieces). We are talking about a bunch of indecipherable tags, very ugly stuff, but How dare I judge.
    What is Occupy Rogers Park about anyways? Isnt that too late, didnt that whole Occupy movement happen already and what does that have to do with graffiti?

    I would agree that the above artwork (graffiti) in the link was unsanctioned but it atleast looked cool.

  • jo p. lake lover

    Can't help but add my two cents here. As I posted earler, I find the graffiti art placards ugly & disturbing. Will try to find Andy in &/or call him - for what that may be worth.

  • You're right: How DARE you force your value system onto him.

    I have drawn a clear line. Vandalism=bad, regardless of the visual appeal, lack of appeal or artistic merit. items that aren't vandalism=not bad, regardless of the visual appeal, lack of appeal or artistic merit. You're the one who says some vandalism is ok, if it appeals to you visually. (Bansky, Haring)

    Art & vandalism aren't mutually exclusive, and they're not always synonymous either. Sometimes something is art & vandalism, sometimes it's neither, sometimes it's only one. Your argument is like saying I can't see the difference between pretty and strong. A person can be both, neither or only one of those things.

    Throwing trash on the street would be littering and vandalism, therefore bad. Throwing trash on a stage as a performance artist would not appeal to me, but would not be bad.

    His tag boards are sanctioned and wanted, just not by you.

    Since I've repeatedly made this same point and explained the distinction, I don't know how else I can do it. It seems like every time I explain it differently, you misunderstand what I'm saying in a different way.

    I hope he doesn't alter his gallery because some people don't like what he's done. I hope his art continues to inspire conversation and beautifies the neighborhood with his sculpture garden & giant fish.

  • Bruce Mayberry, Roger Parkansas

    Some thoughts.
    1. I support B1E.
    2. General guidelines.

    Your wall, your art or invited artist = cool.
    My wall, your art = ass kicking and you being made to clean and repair.
    Public space sanctioned art = cool.
    I even voted and will continue to vote and fund this type of art.

    Public space unsanctioned art = 311 and some other paper work and website reporting to caps yada yada!

  • Inactive user

    Thanks Jo P. I am a passionate person because I care about my neighborhood and I take care of it too. I am going to have an opinion about something promoting the spread of graffiti. I think calling up B1E gallery and letting him know what we think of this is a good idea. I have always supported and like was B1E has done, this is the first real show he has done that I find disturbing.

    This isnt a shepard fairey or bansky show, its just a bunch of poster/canvases along his fence with illegible writings on it, very ugly and this creates an unsafe environment. If thats not graffiti in the true worst sense of the word then I dont know what it is.

  • I was going to stop with my last post, but the death of the English language compelled me to post one more time.

    graffiti--noun: unauthorized writing or drawing on a public surface

    Graffiti--noun: is writing or drawings scribbled, scratched, or sprayed illicitly on a wall or other surface in a public place.

    The key words are unauthorized & illicitly. No where in the definition of the word graffiti is ugly addressed.

  • Inactive user

    Not sure what your point is Rebecca. Yes all graffiti is unsanctioned and illegal. But you like all graffiti and its all artwork to you. Definitions wont win the day. If we are to be bombarded by nothing but ugly graffiti then lets all get rid of it, All graffiti is removed by graffiti blasters anyways good or bad, and I would rather ere on the side of getting rid of it then. Since we dont have a resident Banksy or Fairey in Rogers Park.

  • Inactive user

    I see what rebecca is saying, B1E's gallery doesnt have a graffiti show since it isnt unauthorized.

    Dictionary.com has a different definition of graffiti
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/graffiti
    graf·fi·ti
       [gruh-fee-tee] Show IPA
    noun
    1. plural of graffito.
    2. ( used with a plural verb ) markings, as initials, slogans, or drawings, written, spray-painted, or sketched on a sidewalk, wall of a building or public restroom, or the like: These graffiti are evidence of the neighborhood's decline.
    3. ( used with a singular verb ) such markings as a whole or as constituting a particular group: Not much graffiti appears around here these days.

    No where in this definiton does it say it has to be unauthorized. So B1E's show by this definition is still composed of graffiti, its just allowing it on its property. The allowing or not allowing of it does not seem to be a specific or necessary part for Graffiti. It does say that is it written on a public surface. His artwork is displayed in the public arena. So its just as public as the sidewalk or wall of a building. So B1E does have graffiti on its fence as its just markings on a public surface.

  • none of that is gang related doofus, too tell ya the truth, gangbangers probably don't even care for it just as much as you do. You claim that graffiti brings more crime, let's look at realities, up and coming/gentrified neighborhoods are usually overwhelmed with graffiti i.e. pilsen/wicker park. What's happening in those neighborhoods? Property values are going up because they welcome artists. Okay now let's look at neighborhoods with the worst crime, englewood and the area's on the west side-no graffiti nowhere close to the amount of graffit that the "trendy" neighborhoods have such as belmont/clark, wicker park. Quit being threatend by graffiti, everything you have been told is lies. Look up Wynwood walls in Miami, a desolate area that turned into a vibrant and celebrated area due to the property owners LETTING graffiti artists paint murals on it. It actually brings interest into a community because graffiti=art. You are just scared and like most people mis-informed on 2 SEPERATE inner city urban cultures! Take a close look at the tags that are on the boards, they are names, they are not claiming anything other then "they were here" they are not trying to threaten anyone and there is NO gang insignia on them at all. Some of those names ARE by established artists. There's even some "taggers" on there that are into their 40's and successful in their own right. You are scared and throwing gangs in the mix because YOU do not understand. Also the redline has always been a focul point for north side graffiti/art/history since the 80's (well before you moved here from Michigan). Learn to appreciate it, it's evolution, you don't get with it, you get left BEHIND!

  • His tagboards are not unsanctioned or illegal, yet you insist on calling them graffiti. That was my point. It was simply an attempt to rescue the English language from misuse.

    If you read and comprehended what I've written, I NEVER said I like all graffiti. In fact, I said that all vandalism is BAD. Graffiti is vandalism, therefore it's bad. I have repeatedly pointed out that I don't think quality has ANY bearing on it at all, it's the legality of it.

    Other than paraphrasing your position, I only used graffiti to refer to the art at his gallery & sculpture yard one time, and that was an error in word choice on my part. His art is not graffiti, by definition. It is art, tag boards, or something else, but it's not graffiti.

  • we don't have a resident banksky or fairy in rogers park, because plenty of people like you will not make the area "safe" for artists to evolve and grown in their own right. So you have to watch a movie on bansky or see that obama used a shephard fairy poster for you to appreciate their art? Somebody has to tell you that those artists are "safe" for you to accept their art? There are plenty of talented artists in Chicago that are turned off by your and people like you attitudes on graffiti and street art, they in turn head to L.A. or NYC because people can not or will not appreciate their art in our midwestern town!

  • Inactive user

    Big difference between Murals and Graffit.

    I know his tagboards arent unsanctioned, but the very definition of graffiti does not make it necessary that they be illegal or without someone's permission, simply that they are markings on a public surface, and that is what we are talking about with his tagboards.
    His tagboards are a public surface, in that its a surface that the common public comes into contact with.

    The tag boards are covered with graffiti and the graffiti bleeds onto adjoining surfaces because these taggers are attracted to this area and cant help it. Thats what they do is tag public surfaces. You cant tell taggers, Hey tag this public surface but not this one.
    They will tag whatever they want.

    Rebecca said ". I have repeatedly pointed out that I don't think quality has ANY bearing on it at all, "

    I know and thats sad. So its all equally awesome or bad, dont put value on it, its all great/horrible. I have no opinions myself on art either I just enjoy all of it because if for some reason I dont like artwork its just because Im dumb and dont understand what this amazing artist is doing.

    G.P. I was born and raised in Chicago, I remember when the Insane Unknowns used to tag the heck out of Lincoln Park in the late seventies. I know all about graffiti in Chicago.

  • then you know that there's a difference between the graffiti that gangs do and the graffiti that graffiti writer's do? Ask a young cop, they can even tell you the difference. Those boards have no association whatsoever with gangs. If you grew up in Lincoln Park then you also know that there was a lot of graffiti there PRIOR to it becoming super gentrified in the 90's. It flourished there, welcomed artists, and then became a yuppie orgy, just like wicker park is becoming. Understand the cycle, graffiti artists are usually hip and stylish, they do their art and it gets others excited, what is the meaning of art? To bring a response from it, and that is exactly what graffiti does, whether it's good or bad.

  • how dare you, Jeff. I have been courteous in disagreeing with you, even though you have repeatedly misrepresented what I've said on this topic, misused the English language and twisted a secondary definition of a word to suit your purpose. I never once resorted to ad hominem attacks. You just insulted me repeatedly in one paragraph.

  • this is getting old, once all the old people who are afraid of their surroundings and didn't got to high school with graffiti artists, finally die out, then it will get more acceptance, and it already is anyways. Check out info on the art in the streets show at l.a.'s moca last year. Most highly attended museum show in American history!

  • Inactive user

    @Rebecca, Nah, not how how dare I? Hope about how dare B1E promote graffiti in an area that already has too much of it. Thats my point.And you dont agree with me thats okay. I never thought I would convince those who didnt agree with me. We already have our minds made up and we can argue all day long. It is an interesting discussion however. But I will still remove the unsanctioned graffiti that has been encouraged by B1E gallery. I just wish I didnt have a business encouraging this in a neighborhood that needs a break from graffiti.

    I agree its getting old G.P. which why I was calling attention to this problem. Graffiti is not as ubiquitious as it once was and the Graffiti Blasters Program has helped Chicago alot. This is a resistance against the tyranny of Graffiti, its getting better and it will continue to get better anyways. I bet if you brought a spray can to the LA MOCA and sprayed something on the wall they wouldnt be happy.

  • Inactive user

    G.P. said "we don't have a resident banksky or fairy in rogers park, because plenty of people like you will not make the area "safe" for artists to evolve and grown in their own right. So you have to watch a movie on bansky or see that obama used a shephard fairy poster for you to appreciate their art? Somebody has to tell you that those artists are "safe" for you to accept their art? There are plenty of talented artists in Chicago that are turned off by your and people like you attitudes on graffiti and street art, they in turn head to L.A. or NYC because people can not or will not appreciate their art in our midwestern town!"

    No one had to tell me that fairy was safe. I lived in LA and I saw his pieces firsthand and they were cool. I always liked his stuff.
    Its not up to me to decide which pieces of graffiti by and large are acceptable and not. (The city usually gets rid of most big pieces regardless) I do however get rid of ugly scribblings and things I cant read. If its a cool looking tag that I can read or a picture thats cool I leave it alone.

  • Inactive user

    And G.P. said "then you know that there's a difference between the graffiti that gangs do and the graffiti that graffiti writer's do? Ask a young cop, they can even tell you the difference. Those boards have no association whatsoever with gangs. If you grew up in Lincoln Park then you also know that there was a lot of graffiti there PRIOR to it becoming super gentrified in the 90's. It flourished there, welcomed artists, and then became a yuppie orgy, just like wicker park is becoming. Understand the cycle, graffiti artists are usually hip and stylish, they do their art and it gets others excited, what is the meaning of art? To bring a response from it, and that is exactly what graffiti does, whether it's good or bad."

    Yes I know the difference. I also know the difference between ugly meaningless scribble and something cool. Those tag boards are just ugly. Some of the tagging is just ugly I get sick of looking at it, just today I used goof off to get GRAM off of a street pole. I dont want to walk by that street pole the rest of my life reading GRAM every single day I walk by it. But hey thats just me. Its fun to remove graffiti that is tasteless. One time they tagged glenwood just north of Pratt and they just painted the word GRAFFITI on the door and I thought it looke cool and I left it alone. But pretty soon Gangs were tagging that section of Glenwood and then it was all covered up. We arent there yet. The gangs havent given up on Rogers Park yet, so therefore I wont tolerate the Graffiti.

  • why don't you buff out (clean off) the advertisments that are everywhere telling us to buy stuff we don't need? Why don't you get offended by giant advertisments that are in our way telling us what to buy? No? Because there is money involved and in our robotic society self expression is way worse then corporations shoving stuff down our throats.

  • and once again to put this across, those tags have absolutly nothing to do with any gangs in the area at all! if you really want to make a change, why don't you support proper education in our community? or try to develop ways for people to get jobs, or even create art? go to the root of the problem and quit trying to blame creative expression for gang killings (which is the goofiest thing i have seen and heard from plenty of clueless consrvatives)

  • Inactive user

    G.P. good luck on getting to the root of the problem. I am not equating creative expression with gang killings. But setting up the right environment (litter/graffiti/vandalism/lack of enforcement of parking/poorly run apartment buildings with tons of code violations/unkempt parkways and yes ignorant poorly educated people living close by) will lead to increased crime. Some of these things are easier to fix than others. Anyone here who thinks they can solve the root cause can be my guest and try solving it, but I dont see an easy solution. I just do what I can with litter and graffiti.

  • Inactive user

    Ofcourse I support proper education G.P. but if someone doesnt come from an educated background and have good study skills instilled in them at home and taught how to read at home and helped with homework and they dont have a good home life, its pretty hard to get ahead. How to fix that? I have no idea. I wish I knew the answer.

    And G.P. I dont buff out advertisements because thats illegal, I do throw out the junk that they put on doorknobs or expired fliers however. Its not robotic at all to just follow the crowd and write your name over everything because you are sticking it to the man however, thats original.

  • Inactive user

    Bruce said "Some thoughts.
    1. I support B1E.
    2. General guidelines.
    Your wall, your art or invited artist = cool.
    My wall, your art = ass kicking and you being made to clean and repair.Public space sanctioned art = cool.
    I even voted and will continue to vote and fund this type of art.
    Public space unsanctioned art = 311 and some other paper work and website reporting to caps yada yada!"

    Wish is was so cut and dry. What happens when the art/graffiti that is encouraged then bleeds out onto the rest of glenwood? Naive to think you can contain graffiti in a sanctioned area.

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    OK the occupy ROgers Park boards were taken down. They didnt look good at all. The Other Paintings with the tags on it look better
    atleast the tags are in different colors and it looks more artistic.

    Hey what do I know? Ive just been around art since I was born and graffiti.

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